Farage's humongous hypocrisy re economic migrants!

‘Three weeks after Labour took power, on July 25, the Home Office announced that 46 migrants had been deported by plane to Timor-Leste and Vietnam. The flight to Vietnam was the first for deportations since 2022. Home Secretary Yvette Cooper crowed, “We have immediately replaced the flight planning for Rwanda with actual flights to return people who have no right to stay to their home countries instead.”

In August, Cooper promised to deport at least 14,385 “illegal migrants” by the end of the year, the highest rate since 2018. The government continually briefs the media on its anti-immigrant agenda to ensure front-page coverage and in the words of the Mirror, “it’s understood more flights are planned before the end of the year—to new countries the UK hasn’t previously charted flights to,” meaning Labour may well exceed its target.’
This has replaced the useless Rwanda plan and seems to be working well. But doesn’t seem to be mentioned in the news.

Some people struggle to grasp the concept of Black British.
And some just don't care.

Whereas my son-in-law is 'British born and bred', but he's an Arab. He's worked in the UK and paid all his taxes too, but still occasionally suffers discrimination because he has a brown face and foreign-sounding name.

“It simply isn't true that immigrants don't pay into the UK.“

Growstuff

It certainly isn’t true!

It’s 97% net migration which is perfectly legal.

It saddens me to see expressions like British born and bred I find it demeaning and insulting!

My husband was born in Southern Ireland and I was born in Singapore and have dual nationality, as do our children.

Both my husband and I moved to England prior to starting primary school.

Just like our parents did, we have worked and paid taxes in this country all our working lives!

LadyInBlue

Cossy
LadyInBlue
“I do not know Farage nor do I know Starmer, but I am going by the political views of Farage which are the same as mine, so if Farage can become the next Prime Minister then that will suit me fine. Starmer is sending Great Britain to hell in a hand cart.
If you had read Reform’s “contract” during the election you would have seen their financial policies would have been a fiscal disaster.

What other policies of Reform did you feel were specifically aligned with your political views??
I have read it, 'he said, she said'. I honestly cannot see Reform being any worse than what we have at the moment. He wants to stop illegal immigration, so do I, he wants to stop money going abroad to other countries instead of using it to help our British born and bred citizens, so do I and that is the important thing at the moment because we do not have the money to support people who come to the UK and have not paid anything in to it.”

LadyInBlue

Unsurprisingly, the only thing you have mentioned is related to any non-Brit and foreign countries.

What about all the other Reform Policies?

So, in your opinion, so long as we prevent the 3% of migrants who enter illegally and stop foreign aid, magically everything else here in the UK will suddenly somehow be wonderful?

How will that work?

LadyInBlue

Cossy

LadyInBlue

I do not know Farage nor do I know Starmer, but I am going by the political views of Farage which are the same as mine, so if Farage can become the next Prime Minister then that will suit me fine. Starmer is sending Great Britain to hell in a hand cart.

If you had read Reform’s “contract” during the election you would have seen their financial policies would have been a fiscal disaster.

What other policies of Reform did you feel were specifically aligned with your political views??

I have read it, 'he said, she said'. I honestly cannot see Reform being any worse than what we have at the moment. He wants to stop illegal immigration, so do I, he wants to stop money going abroad to other countries instead of using it to help our British born and bred citizens, so do I and that is the important thing at the moment because we do not have the money to support people who come to the UK and have not paid anything in to it.

The vast majority of immigrants to the UK are here perfectly legally. They have paid an enormous amount into the UK 'system'. Firstly, students who come to the UK usually pay about three times the amount of UK students (and their fees are high enough anyway). Overseas students subsidise UK universities to the tune of billions of pounds every year. Secondly, immigrants to the UK have to pay a NHS surcharge with their visa application of £1,035 per year, That's on top of any income tax and NICs, for which they'll be liable.

It simply isn't true that immigrants don't pay into the UK.

Cossy

LadyInBlue

I do not know Farage nor do I know Starmer, but I am going by the political views of Farage which are the same as mine, so if Farage can become the next Prime Minister then that will suit me fine. Starmer is sending Great Britain to hell in a hand cart.

If you had read Reform’s “contract” during the election you would have seen their financial policies would have been a fiscal disaster.

What other policies of Reform did you feel were specifically aligned with your political views??

I have read it, 'he said, she said'. I honestly cannot see Reform being any worse than what we have at the moment. He wants to stop illegal immigration, so do I, he wants to stop money going abroad to other countries instead of using it to help our British born and bred citizens, so do I and that is the important thing at the moment because we do not have the money to support people who come to the UK and have not paid anything in to it.

Wyllow3

For those "I don't know Farage" I'm repeating the original article on him. Here is your chance (go on Bev, you know you want to 🤫)

www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2024/jun/14/he-was-a-deeply-unembarrassed-racist-nigel-farage-by-those-who-have-known-him

Thank you Wyllow, I have read your link, very interesting article. He seems to be a caring father and described as charismatic and a political force, he seems to inspire strong feelings, a marmite person. its a balanced article (for the Guardian!) 😊

Yes *Shinamea, I do trust Keir Starmer.

Wyllow3 I am astounded that James Murdock is allowed to be an MP!

Then again I cannot confess to being knowledgeable on all parliamentary matters.

As far as I am aware, nobody from Reform has commented on the Louise Haigh resignation, probably due to the James McMurdock history.

GrannyGravy13

As it’s declared parliament and those who police MPs must be aware.

I can only assume that it was permissible 🤷‍♀️

Not sure whether you are addressing Farage's £40.000 for NOMAD (yes permissible as in declaration of interests)

or James James McMurdock’ remaining in parliament with Farage's blessing when the rules are

"Prospective candidates for Parliament can stand for election despite having a criminal record, unless they have served a prison term or been detained for 12 months or more."

Allira

Shinamae

LizzieDrip

Spot on Allira!

Farage is very ‘spiv’ like - wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him.

And you trust Starmer? 😵‍💫😂

I was talking about Farage.

The thing about Farage is that he's plausible, enjoys a pint in the pub, blokey type, but he's not all that he seems.

And I was addressing Lizzie drip..

As it’s declared parliament and those who police MPs must be aware.

I can only assume that it was permissible 🤷‍♀️

For those "I don't know Farage" I'm repeating the original article on him. Here is your chance (go on Bev, you know you want to 🤫)

www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2024/jun/14/he-was-a-deeply-unembarrassed-racist-nigel-farage-by-those-who-have-known-him

LadyInBlue

I do not know Farage nor do I know Starmer, but I am going by the political views of Farage which are the same as mine, so if Farage can become the next Prime Minister then that will suit me fine. Starmer is sending Great Britain to hell in a hand cart.

If you had read Reform’s “contract” during the election you would have seen their financial policies would have been a fiscal disaster.

What other policies of Reform did you feel were specifically aligned with your political views??

For peoples information - yes, Farages attendance at NOMAD which suggests tax dodges and money havens and the £40k are very real, because if you go onto the government site to check MP's declared interests, its there.

To check any MP just type in the name and "register of interests. It's gives all Farages earnings in the media and Social Media as well and hours worked of interest to those who have doubts of work outside parliament particularly in the media. (pretty long list)

However, NOMAD

*Role, work or services: Speaking Engagement
Until: 25 September 2024.
Payer: Nomad Capitalist LLC, 2810 North 3rd Street, Phoenix, Arizona 85004
(Registered 31 October 2024)

Payment: £40,075.37*

Received on: 7 October 2024. Hours: 10 hrs.
(Registered 31 October 2024)

members.parliament.uk/member/5091/registeredinterests

so yes, he didnt just attend, he was a keynote speaker.

Wyllow3

A big problem is the paucity of access to read nearly all newspapers online. Although Sky often carries bits of other newspapers a day or so after. It was so much better when we had open access to a variety of POV.

I dont think anyone expects everyone to regularly read a source they dont like or agree with, like I only go to GB news when directed there by a GN poster or it comes up on a google.

But if we are to discuss an issue on GN together and a poster gives a reference as a key point in a discussion -or to kick off a discussion as the O/P - why not read just that article so as to be able to join in?

I With due respect, what's the point in coming into a discussion just to de facto say, "I won't be reading the article and joining in?"

(The Guardian, btw, does carry news that is of interest across the board, sometimes quite critical of the government, it doesn't pull its punches)

👏👏👏👏👏

I find the Guardian a pretty good source of info, I would read the DM if it was very pertinent to a particular topic, back in the day the DM had some extremely good investigative journalism.

I also dip into Apple and SKY News online, occasionally The Washington Post and Al Jazeera, I really like to see a lot of view points.

I don't follow him myself.

Shinamae

LizzieDrip

Spot on Allira!

Farage is very ‘spiv’ like - wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him.

And you trust Starmer? 😵‍💫😂

I was talking about Farage.

The thing about Farage is that he's plausible, enjoys a pint in the pub, blokey type, but he's not all that he seems.

LadyInBlue

I do not know Farage nor do I know Starmer, but I am going by the political views of Farage which are the same as mine, so if Farage can become the next Prime Minister then that will suit me fine. Starmer is sending Great Britain to hell in a hand cart.

News alert 🥁
We have been in the handcart for some years, or hadn’t you noticed.

LizzieDrip

Spot on Allira!

Farage is very ‘spiv’ like - wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him.

And you trust Starmer? 😵‍💫😂

Spot on Allira!

Farage is very ‘spiv’ like - wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him.

Babs03

And I do get angry about Farage, simply because he is just giving those who follow him a load of old nonsense. He is a publicity hound simply chasing the camera. Has never held any political post down for long, except for when he jumped aboard the gravy boat as an MEP.
I dare say his constituents have already given up on the idea of actually being represented in Parliament.

Did he turn up very often when he was an MEP?

I've been trying to work out what or who he reminds me of and it's what my DM would have called 'a spiv'. She referred to our then neighbour as a spiv and he did very well during WW2, they then moved to a large house in a posher part of town.

I do not know Farage nor do I know Starmer, but I am going by the political views of Farage which are the same as mine, so if Farage can become the next Prime Minister then that will suit me fine. Starmer is sending Great Britain to hell in a hand cart.