How Many More Fibbers Are In The Cabinet?

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I suppose criminal convictions are fine when you’re a member of Farage’s ‘disrupter’ company … but not for Labour MPs obviously. Different standards🤷‍♀️

LizzieDrip

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I suppose criminal convictions are fine when you’re a member of Farage’s ‘disrupter’ company … but not for Labour MPs obviously. Different standards🤷‍♀️

Two tier selections 😂😂😂😂

petal53

I’m a bit confused about this. Gransnetters are saying LH wasn’t convicted, but I’ve heard on news outlets that she was convicted. With regard to Gransnetters, it seems to depend on whether or not any particular poster supports Labour as to whether or not they say she wasn’t convicted.
I would just like to know the truth, but I’m not expecting to get it from GN.

Read it on BBC News petal53.

‘Haigh said she pleaded guilty to making a false report to police at a magistrates' court, six months before becoming an MP in the 2015 general election, and received a discharge - the "lowest possible outcome".’

She was convicted, but it was discharged because it was seen by the court as a minor offence. I don’t think anybody is saying it was anything other than as reported, are they?

Boz

The Times has been told that the company launched an investigation after Haigh said that company mobile phones had been stolen or had gone missing on repeated occasions.

"repeated occasions" is the key to all this. More will come out so Miss Haigh has "done a runner".

Where is the evidence of this??

I used to lose my work phone (and normally find it) on a regular basis, prior to working from home I was outreach for a few years and had to cart around a work laptop, my phone, a work phone and paper work, it was a nightmare as I had no base, no desk and no storage.

Maybe she is just disorganised.

Frankly, if all she did was re-find her work phone, it’s a bit of a non-story!

If she’d tried to sell it on or gained in any way I’d view it differently. At the moment she just seems a bit ditsy?

Mollygo

^In hindsight she should have informed the police "I've got my phone after all" and end of.^
Yes, but if they didn’t tell her to do that, perhaps she thought it wasn’t necessary.
The insurance company makes it quite clear that I must inform them if I recover something I had claimed for as lost.

I think the sensible thing to do would be to tell whoever supplied her phone to her, that she’d found her original phone and send it back?

Aviva reported her to the police as a serial claimer - 3 times she claimed for lost phones. Ditsy? If so, not a good choice for a cabinet minister.

Boz

Aviva reported her to the police as a serial claimer - 3 times she claimed for lost phones. Ditsy? If so, not a good choice for a cabinet minister.

She wouldn’t claim through her own insurer for a company phone though?
No doubt the truth will out.

Casdon

Boz

Aviva reported her to the police as a serial claimer - 3 times she claimed for lost phones. Ditsy? If so, not a good choice for a cabinet minister.

She wouldn’t claim through her own insurer for a company phone though?
No doubt the truth will out.

Aviva was her employer. She wasn't making an insurance claim.

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Apologies for the size of the link.

The Guardian. Not known to be right leaning.

Apologies for useless link.

Just search the Guardian. Aviva have ascertained she had claimed for more.

growstuff

Casdon

Boz

Aviva reported her to the police as a serial claimer - 3 times she claimed for lost phones. Ditsy? If so, not a good choice for a cabinet minister.

She wouldn’t claim through her own insurer for a company phone though?
No doubt the truth will out.

Aviva was her employer. She wasn't making an insurance claim.

I see, sorry.

Casdon

It’s likely that although this was a minor offence, she knew she wouldn’t survive the next reshuffle anyway after her tactless comments about P&O, so rather than face days of media storm she decided to go. I respect her for doing that.

I refuse to use P&O after letting their staff down so badly. Perhaps she could have worded things a bit better but ……

vegansrock

It’s not crime of the century and it’s a spent conviction. Can no one be rehabilitated?

Perhaps you should read from people who are in the know.
Starmer knew, kept it quiet. If she was so convinced of her innocence, then why resign. She wouldn't pass a DBS check in civvy st, so why was it just shrugged off by the Labour elite.
I see the uproar if it had been on the Conservative bench.
Why all the excuses from Labour supporters.

Spent convictions are just that though Freya5, they don’t count as a deterrent for appointment as an MP or as a minister. For all we know many current MPs could have spent convictions, this is the second one revealed just since the election that I can remember.
There is some historical data from 2012, when it was revealed that 243 MPs had previous convictions (!), but nothing more recent that I could find.
www.theipsa.org.uk/freedom-of-information/rfi-202204-09

Freya5

vegansrock

It’s not crime of the century and it’s a spent conviction. Can no one be rehabilitated?

Perhaps you should read from people who are in the know.
Starmer knew, kept it quiet. If she was so convinced of her innocence, then why resign. She wouldn't pass a DBS check in civvy st, so why was it just shrugged off by the Labour elite.
I see the uproar if it had been on the Conservative bench.
Why all the excuses from Labour supporters.

It depends what kind of job she was applying for. For some jobs, such as teaching, convictions are never 'spent'. Nevertheless, it's not forbidden for employers (even schools) to employ people with convictions for minor offences. It's up to the employer to decide.

How do any of us know who's 'in the know' and telling the truth? All the gossip hasn't been given under oath.

You seem to have missed the point. Haigh isn't convinced of her innocence. She pleaded guilty and was sentenced, but the conviction is now 'spent'. I expect she resigned (or was persuaded to resign) because she knew if she didn't, she would be providing ammo and distraction from the serious business of government for her detractors.

Where's the uproar about James McMurdock?

Thanks Wyllow3 - I confess it was a "news" story I'd ignored until now.

Listening to a report on the way home from work, the opinion seemed to be that, although she declared it to KS, she should also have mentioned it to the appropriate people when elected to cabinet.
Letting her go is intended to support KS’s tough stance with offenders.
Must be a good idea, and will keep the media, whichever wing they’re alleged to be, eager as always to spot any potential stories (or non-stories depending which side the reader is on.

Her employers were convinced enough by her story of phones going missing to alert the police this was happening.The key word is phones as in more than one.All very fishy.
Anyway she’s resigned before she was pushed.

I think we should wait for full information on the phones before jumping to conclusions.

She's an excellent MP.

growstuff

How many more fibbers are there on Gransnet?!

What - who are also Members of Parliament?

I suppose there could be or else they just haven't confessed to being an MP. Is that lying by omission?

Actually, it seemed to be rather a storm in a teacup, although the story has changed.

growstuff

Rachel Reeves didn't lie on her CV and Louise Haigh doesn't have a conviction for fraud.

Apparently Louise Haigh does have a conviction for fraud.

vegansrock

It’s not crime of the century and it’s a spent conviction. Can no one be rehabilitated?

I agree.

Wyllow3

I think we should wait for full information on the phones before jumping to conclusions.

She's an excellent MP.

She’s also still an MP and can be back in cabinet at any time in the future.

Why would you keep losing work phones then claiming for them?
Surely they belong to the employer, not the employee.

I'm

I would welcome that. She was good in transport, some great plans to improve our rail system oop north. Stood up on the P and O issue.

I think it is relevant to look at other MP's who've had convictions to get a sense of proportion. James McMurdock assaulted and repeatedly kicked his girlfriend, and was jailed for it, for goodness sake!

Haigh has stood down on a phone offence and did the right thing.

McMurdock - yesterday

"Farage says Reform UK MP who repeatedly kicked girlfriend deserves ‘Christian forgiveness’
Reform UK leader said James McMurdock’s conviction for an assault on a partner was ‘a long time ago’