Greg Wallace suspended

Good. I think he’s just a g*t and sadly there are plenty around. I think this should’ve hit the news but not gone on and on the way it has and with so much analysis. We all know that in this day and age, such behaviour is unacceptable. I think the BBC should’ve parted ways with him right at the start, period.

Iam64

Yes women can also behave badly, doesn’t make it ok does it 😇

No it doesn’t, but I’ve always found it surprising that women do it.
From your halo I guess you’ve never done it, and neither have I.I absolutely hate pile ons by anybody it’s mean.

ferry23

In my view there's a vast difference between harmless, flirty "banter" and lewd remarks with sexually questionable undertones.

Most women learn to recognise the difference and learn to recognise the type of man they're dealing with.

Even in the workplace I would not expect, or accept, any level of innuendo be it innocent or lewd during the first few days in a new job. Which is effectively the position of the women on Masterchef - they're actually only with John and Gregg for a short amount of time even if they stay in until the very end. In some cases it would just be a few hours.

Maybe some women who are not bothered about it like being the centre of attention, perhaps it makes them feel attractive to think that some creep is lusting after them.

That's how I see it, too.
Banter and flirting between consenting adults - fine. (Better kept out of the workplace)

Dirty old blokes making sleazy, unwanted remarks, in the hope of getting lucky one day. Disgusting.

They have the safety net, though, of insisting it was just a joke, if they're pulled up on it

LizzieDrip

I wonder what John Torode’s take is on all this? Why didn’t he say something to Wallace about his behaviour at the time - or was it considered ‘acceptable’ by the programme makers?

Good point.
Did he just turn a blind eye or maybe joined in with Greg, perhaps it would have been better if he had raised a red flag with their bosses.

I wonder what John Torode’s take is on all this? Why didn’t he say something to Wallace about his behaviour at the time - or was it considered ‘acceptable’ by the programme makers?

In my view there's a vast difference between harmless, flirty "banter" and lewd remarks with sexually questionable undertones.

Most women learn to recognise the difference and learn to recognise the type of man they're dealing with.

Even in the workplace I would not expect, or accept, any level of innuendo be it innocent or lewd during the first few days in a new job. Which is effectively the position of the women on Masterchef - they're actually only with John and Gregg for a short amount of time even if they stay in until the very end. In some cases it would just be a few hours.

Maybe some women who are not bothered about it like being the centre of attention, perhaps it makes them feel attractive to think that some creep is lusting after them.

petra

Oreo

I just can’t understand , when a person becomes a tv celebrity they think they can say anything they like.

Greg Wallis was a creep before he became a celebrity.

Did you know him well then. Or just your perception?

Martina Hyde in the guardian called him a ‘serial dick’. Sounds about right to me.

MissAdventure

I wonder if he'll come up with a never before mentioned diagnosis, next.

I wouldn't be at all surprised, to be honest.

I wonder if he'll come up with a never before mentioned diagnosis, next.

In that article it raises question marks are now around whether programmes already recorded should be aired. I think it includes the Christmas special.

His PR team have obviously had words - he's now issued an apology for those remarks...
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgkxy2g7py2o
'Felt very alone, under siege'....OK then Gregg.

Good intelligent humour is always funny, I like Dave Allen, Have I Hot News For You and Would I Lie To You. Bob Mortimer is amazing.
Also like David Mitchell but when Lee Mack was on near us a couple of friends went to his show and said it was very blue, sone people got up to leave and my friends would have but they were dead centre in the front row and he was picking on members of the audience.

If only these men, who think it’s ok to subject women, usually young women, to lewd and sexual innuendo considered what they might feel if it were their own daughters, sisters, mothers who were being treated in this way. Suspect it wouldn’t be ‘just banter’ then.
Greg Wallace is just one of many who think he can say and do what he wants just because he can.

Some men my husband worked with used to go on about how funny the comedian Jethro was and one of them lent him a DVD of his act. A lot of it was disgusting and neither of us found it funny at all, we prefer clever comedy like The Two Ronnies, Monty Python or Dave Allen and we don’t mind Billy Connolly’s potty mouth because he is a national treasure.

I have never like Greg Wallace - too full of himself by far, thinking he was more important and knew more than the other judges who are real chefs. I think contestants ignored him and were pleased for a proper assessment by the real chef.
I guess if you are a contestant you are going to be nervous about cooking and being on the show so are unlikely to say anything.

Oreo

I think banter is only ok if done between an all male group or an all female one.
Incidentally I’ve witnessed small groups of middle aged and older women humiliate a young man on several occasions with the boy not knowing what to say back.Sexual banter that is.
Women do it sometimes, just saying.

Oh I have seen this during hen nights or a girls night out, especially when holidaying abroad. Is equally unacceptable and often embarrasses male waiting staff.
The same rules apply, don’t make sexual jokes or use sexual references in public about someone who isn’t a member of the group and so could feel victimised.

Am personally glad that this kind of behaviour and language is becoming more difficult to get away with, this makes it easier for girls and women to enter into subject study and careers in previously male dominated areas such as construction, car mechanics, engineering etc.
And am very lucky that my SiLs feel exactly like my daughters when it comes to sexual misconduct, indeed many young men today are trying hard to combat the misogynistic attitudes of some of the previous generation.

Yes women can also behave badly, doesn’t make it ok does it 😇

I think banter is only ok if done between an all male group or an all female one.
Incidentally I’ve witnessed small groups of middle aged and older women humiliate a young man on several occasions with the boy not knowing what to say back.Sexual banter that is.
Women do it sometimes, just saying.

Chocolatelovinggran

Dibbydod, I would challenge your claim that young women are happy around offensive " banter" .
When my daughter was an undergraduate, working a few hours in a supermarket, she responded very robustly to such comments by a male colleague.
Her rebuff included some language that made it clear how she felt, and included a threat, in the event of any repetition, a report to his manager.
My daughters are all mothers of daughters and would call out any such behaviour, especially in a workplace ( and my daughter in law is an engineer, so works in a male dominated environment)

As a young woman, I worked in various environments, naked women on calendars was seen as perfectly normal by the men, despite the women finding it offensive. It also set a very low bar for unacceptable ‘jokes’ and sexual harassment.
Things are different thankfully
Diddydod - your comments do not reflect my work environments over the past 50 years. Lack of appropriate boundaries in families and work environments enable unacceptable behaviours
Yes I can be accused of being middle class/female/certain age so my views don’t count

Dibbydod, I would challenge your claim that young women are happy around offensive " banter" .
When my daughter was an undergraduate, working a few hours in a supermarket, she responded very robustly to such comments by a male colleague.
Her rebuff included some language that made it clear how she felt, and included a threat, in the event of any repetition, a report to his manager.
My daughters are all mothers of daughters and would call out any such behaviour, especially in a workplace ( and my daughter in law is an engineer, so works in a male dominated environment)

Women may feel awkward reporting instances like this for a myriad of reasons, as MissInterpreted has already said. Some may feel so intimidated by a person like Wallace that they feel they cannot speak out at the time, others may feel that they are somehow the odd one out to feel so offended whilst others are going along with Wallace’s sexism, though those going along with it could be the former - too intimidated. Others may simply want to showcase their skills on a prime time show and so choose to simply ignore Wallace’s comments, though feeling equally disturbed by them.
The thing is the majority of women know that an accusation of sexual misconduct may not be taken seriously, dismissed, or mocked, so they will only tend to come forwards when others do. Safety in numbers.

Totally agree with you there, RosiesMaw2. And how many times do I have to repeat this - there can be any number of reasons why someone may not report stuff like this at the time. Unless you have walked in their shoes, you don't know why.

I think it depends on on the character of the person , if a guy is a happy go lucky jokey respectful sort of guy with no intention to insult , then it can all be taken in fun & laughed off , so to speak , but , if it’s said with dirty meanings and undertones then obviously that is not ok and should be said at the time rather than bring it up years later . . Wallis is in the first category and he’s always up for laugh

No, that is the automatic defence of the “locker room banter-er” (if you know what I mean.)
It is a form of verbal bullying , short and simple. “No intention to insult” -really? There have been too many instances of men like Greg Wallace attempting to assert their superiority, show off, establish their Alpha male criteria or bolster their self-image.
It had to stop and should have done before now.