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Allsorts Sun 08-Dec-24 08:22:45

Switching on my radio I listened to some of the people overjoyed at the departure of Assad, I then heard the BBC News. President Assad instead of stopping to fight as he threatened nipped on a plane out of it. I do hope Syria gets peace.

Jeanathome Sun 15-Dec-24 13:46:52

Mt61

Allira 100% guarantee they won’t return back to Syria, I absolutely don’t blame them as I wouldn’t want to go back to a worn torn country!

How odd that you feel qualified to speak on behalf of thousands and thousands of people you don't know.

Allira Sun 15-Dec-24 13:55:04

Millions of Syrians are displaced and living in camps.

I can't speak for them, of course, but I am sure many will want to return to rebuild their country.
There are tensions in Turkey, for example, where millions of Syrian refugees live in camps.
The rebuilding programme will be enormous.

Wyllow3 Sun 15-Dec-24 14:02:22

M61: you are completely wrong:

Refugees are coming back, often families, from Turkey, already. And so many more want to come back, but there are things to be sorted first

Here is a video of them from today, and they talk of living under Assad, and their hopes in coming home

www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=refugees+in+turkey+retrun+to+syria&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:ad5dde1c,vid:pDEoKRVVn5A,st:0

However, this helpful BBC article says the difficulties they face and why some won't be coming back until matters are more resolved

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg6eeg87lqo

""There is still no water in many regions in Syria, electricity comes at certain times of the day. It is not even clear who will govern the country and how, but we need to return to get Syria back on its feet," says Ibrahim, a chemical engineer"

OTOH

"that there are big questions over infrastructure – a lack of schools, jobs and hospitals.
The United Nations estimates that 90% of the population inside Syria is now living below the poverty line.
"It may take hundreds of billions of dollars to rebuild these devastated cities. Which country will provide the resources?" Mr Erdogan says. "The deep poverty and the collapse of infrastructure in Syria are likely to continue for a long time. These are not problems that will be easily fixed in the short term."
Metin Corabatir warns also of the risk of unexploded bombs and mines when refugees head home: "They also need to find out in advance what condition their homes are in the destroyed cities."

Can't you understand a genuine longing to "go home"?

Allira Sun 15-Dec-24 14:05:14

Hiraeth.

At the moment Syria is not a place I would want to return to if I had small children. It would not be fair.

Wyllow3 Sun 15-Dec-24 14:19:16

What a perfect word to describe it.

Families with children are crossing from the Turkish refugee camps. I suppose it depends on what you are going back to specifically - and what as a refugee you've had to endure.

Allira Sun 15-Dec-24 14:23:11

I was thinking no water, perhaps no electricity, hope they'll be all right.
A friend used to distribute handknitted blankets to refugees in Turkey; she found some huddled in doorways with babies and small children.

Casdon Sun 15-Dec-24 14:36:32

Wyllow3

What a perfect word to describe it.

Families with children are crossing from the Turkish refugee camps. I suppose it depends on what you are going back to specifically - and what as a refugee you've had to endure.

I guess if you’re living in a tent in a refugee camp, with nothing to your name, the thought of going back to your original home and in some cases land must be appealing, even if your home has been destroyed it’s where your roots and the people you lived among before will be. Poor souls though, it’s impossible to imagine how they must feel.

Wyllow3 Sun 15-Dec-24 14:43:04

Perhaps the doubters can begin to understand why the UK gave 11 million for immediate relief!

The need for stability is so strong and some confidence in being able to re build is one of the reasons I think talks could be held involving the HTS.

David49 Sun 15-Dec-24 15:43:31

Those in Camps in Turkey wont have any choice the Turks have been very generous but the camps are close to the border they will return, from the UK I hope so too

ronib Sun 15-Dec-24 15:47:00

Wyllow3 this sceptic thinks 11 million is peanuts and exactly why are we giving anything at all to a proscribed terrorist group? I would wait for Trump to show his cards - the Uk is such a sideshow these days!!

Wyllow3 Sun 15-Dec-24 16:04:19

David49

Those in Camps in Turkey wont have any choice the Turks have been very generous but the camps are close to the border they will return, from the UK I hope so too

Yes David I hope it will be safe enough for people who want to come home from Europe.

Freya5 Sun 15-Dec-24 16:20:29

ronib

Wyllow3 this sceptic thinks 11 million is peanuts and exactly why are we giving anything at all to a proscribed terrorist group? I would wait for Trump to show his cards - the Uk is such a sideshow these days!!

Well considering we've given away 4 billion to Syria from 2011 till 2022, already 97 million 2024 to25, now an nextra 11 million, my concerns are not about helping the Syrian people in whatever way. My concern is Starmer is over eager to hand that last amount to a regime we know nothing about, is he trying to prove something. As Syria is already getting a huge amount of our money, surely this can wait until we know what we are dealing with. The UK has also been funding, from the aid budget, 215 million, the total appears to be 350 million, supporting rebels, but refuses to disclose which ones.
www.declassifieduk.org.

Allira Sun 15-Dec-24 16:24:02

Don't forget many people had to flee because of that devastating earthquake last year too.

About 1.5 million people lost their homes and millions more were affected by it..

foxie48 Sun 15-Dec-24 16:47:38

There are 16.7 million people in need of humanitarian aid in Syria and refugees are returning to their homes in Syria. Without foreign aid people will starve, disease will be rife and people will be without shelter. It's winter in Syria and although relatively mild, it can be very wet with snow in some areas. Aid will be supplied by aid agencies eg International Red Cross, World Food Programme, UNICEF etc. it will not be given to proscribed terrorist organisations. More information below, all of which is readily accessible on the Govt website.

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10161/

ronib Sun 15-Dec-24 17:34:53

£50m in humanitarian aid announced from the Uk to Syria….. for vulnerable Syrians.

Wyllow3 Sun 15-Dec-24 18:31:47

Thank you for that key article, foxie. Absolutely describes the politics of the region and why to support for a moderate solution!

Wyllow3 Sun 15-Dec-24 18:57:37

Germany is also stepping up its aid for Syria.

www.deutschland.de/en/news/germany-increases-support-for-syria#:~:text=Germany%20makes%20millions%20available%20for,responsibility%20for%20a%20peaceful%20Syria.&text=Berlin%20(d.de)%20–,a%20stable%20and%20peaceful%20Syria.

(just another European example)

so has the US government (a huge amount, the biggest donor

www.usaid.gov/news-information/press-releases/sep-26-2024-united-states-announces-nearly-535-million-additional-humanitarian-assistance-syria-regional-response#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20remains%20the,the%20start%20of%20the%20crisis.

Jeanathome Sun 15-Dec-24 19:35:14

he trying to prove something

What is KS trying to prove please?

Wyllow3 Sun 15-Dec-24 20:49:40

Nothing.

As outlined above the previous governments also funded humanitarian aid:

and currently other countries have given extra aid as well as UK, all part of international efforts we play our part.

David49 Mon 16-Dec-24 08:25:32

The UK the US and others are offering aid to rebuild Syria in the hope that they become a moderate inclusive state with the freedoms we enjoy. Not descend into an extremist state like Iran or Afghanistan and make tensions in the region worse.

ronib Mon 16-Dec-24 08:31:31

Russia, Iran, USA, UK and UAE have all been involved with Syria since 2011. I don’t know if by aid this means arms are included. This country has had many paddles stirring the pot.

ronib Mon 16-Dec-24 09:38:01

Not forgetting Daesh

Wyllow3 Mon 16-Dec-24 09:39:37

David49

The UK the US and others are offering aid to rebuild Syria in the hope that they become a moderate inclusive state with the freedoms we enjoy. Not descend into an extremist state like Iran or Afghanistan and make tensions in the region worse.

Yes, very much part of the equation and stated as such.

MaizieD Mon 16-Dec-24 09:42:15

ronib

Russia, Iran, USA, UK and UAE have all been involved with Syria since 2011. I don’t know if by aid this means arms are included. This country has had many paddles stirring the pot.

Russia supplied military personnel and arms to Assad. It was Russian planes that bombed the hell out of many Syrian settlements. Iran supplied arms and fighters, too, I understand.

Militarily the US and the UK stood back and did nothing to support the 'rebels'. Were they supplying humanitarian aid? I thought they kept well out of it.

ronib Mon 16-Dec-24 10:05:58

MaizieD The US has been very involved militarily in Syria. I don’t know how accurate the Wiki is but that’s a good start.