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Is this a Christmas joke?

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LovesBach Wed 11-Dec-24 10:10:57

Yesterday I read Civil Servants have been informed that they can sue colleagues if they are not invited to Christmas parties - the usual 'hurt feelings' reason was offered as good cause. Does anyone want to join me in an outburst of hysterical laughter?

Greciangirl Thu 12-Dec-24 15:34:21

Typical Daily Mail blurb.

Babamaman Thu 12-Dec-24 15:08:35

Pathetic! Who will cover the cost of this nonesense! Talk about woke!

Mollygo Thu 12-Dec-24 14:57:35

Today 14:13 keepingquiet

Ladyleftfieldlover
The Daily Mail is the very worst type of comic.
keepingquiet
The people who read it can be pretty childish, I agree.
Childishness brilliantly matched by the people who discriminate against DM readers.

keepingquiet Thu 12-Dec-24 14:13:26

Ladyleftfieldlover

The Daily Mail is the very worst type of comic.

The people who read it can be pretty childish, I agree.

Ladyleftfieldlover Thu 12-Dec-24 14:07:43

The Daily Mail is the very worst type of comic.

Kate1949 Thu 12-Dec-24 14:02:50

One year - yes I know I said I avoided them but I was there 35 years and in the early days felt obliged/pressured into going - we were even 'advised' who to sit near.

A meeting was held and the bosses thought it would be a good idea if the lower ranks/support staff (of which I was one) sat next to a higher ranking staff member instead of our close colleagues so that the higher ups could find out a bit about our lives. How completely patronising. They weren't remotely interested in us. It was an uncomfortable couple of hours. They even ran a course once for the higher grades to learn how to speak to us lowly serfs. I'm sure things have changed. I hope so.

Susieq62 Thu 12-Dec-24 13:48:31

What’s an office party ?? 🤷‍♀️

August2018 Thu 12-Dec-24 12:47:00

Haha me too

wibblywobblywobblebottom Thu 12-Dec-24 12:44:03

That sounds like the kind of nonsense the Daily Mail prints. Though the idea of people spending large sums of money on lawyers because their feelings were hurt and then losing the case is delightful. Anyway don't people tend to avoid Christmas parties? I know we did.

Cossy Thu 12-Dec-24 11:49:36

My daughter is a CS, she’s not been told or notified of this!

Like other posters I avoided Christmas “do” like the plague!

rafichagran Thu 12-Dec-24 10:38:57

Kate1949

I worked in the Civil Service. I tried very hard NOT to be invited to Christmas parties.

So did I. In fact I just did not go,My son is a December Birthday, and I always had somewhere to be whenever they came up.

Allira Thu 12-Dec-24 10:33:56

Mollygo

^NonGrannyMoll
Does anyone still read the Daily Mail, much less actually spend money buying it?^

The discrimination against people who read the DM gets worse.

Does anyone still read the Daily Mail, much less actually spend money buying it?

Only Gransnetters who scour every bit online, then post links to it saying how dreadful it is 😁

Allira Thu 12-Dec-24 10:32:38

Do civil servants send out printed invitations then?

Not in my day!
But then, we were a bit different 😁

LovesBach Thu 12-Dec-24 09:12:51

This article was in The Times, and online.

Mollygo Thu 12-Dec-24 06:22:13

^NonGrannyMoll
Does anyone still read the Daily Mail, much less actually spend money buying it?^

The discrimination against people who read the DM gets worse.

Kate1949 Wed 11-Dec-24 23:42:57

It was an email in my day. If you politely declined, someone would come to your desk and ask you why. Probably different now. I've been retired 15 years. Thankfully.

petal53 Wed 11-Dec-24 23:27:11

Do civil servants send out printed invitations then?
How posh.

In my school there was a bit of general discussion about where to go this year, and then the place and date would be put up on the whiteboard in the staff room. If you wanted to go, you signed up. Then someone would book it.

Sometimes I went. Other times I didn’t. My choice. Nobody invited anyone else. You just signed up or you didn’t.

theworriedwell Wed 11-Dec-24 22:46:20

Allira

"Invitation to office Christmas party"
Even the wording puzzles me. Someone would organise it, the date would be put on a notice board or circulated and people just turn up - surely?

Well you'd think so unless you wanted to exclude some people.

Allira Wed 11-Dec-24 22:42:15

"Invitation to office Christmas party"
Even the wording puzzles me. Someone would organise it, the date would be put on a notice board or circulated and people just turn up - surely?

theworriedwell Wed 11-Dec-24 22:40:34

Galaxy

I declined last week grin.

I'm sure it wasn't because you are a killjoy. I wasn't always very welcome at Christmas parties, being teetotal made some drinkers a bit nervous I think, a sober witness to some of the shenanigans wasn't really welcome. Hard drinking time in the police back then. I understand it is very different now.

I was tactful though, never mentioned anything that I witnessed.

Galaxy Wed 11-Dec-24 22:36:48

I declined last week grin.

theworriedwell Wed 11-Dec-24 22:32:55

Allira

theworriedwell

LovesBach

MaizieD

Oh, I've read the article. Please ignore my last post. There is a grain of truth in the OP. But it's not quite how it's been presented in the OP.

I would say 'grain of truth' is rather diminishing the Senior Political Correspondent's efforts in the Times.

'Civil servants who are not invited to Christmas parties by their colleagues have been advised that they could bring legal claims for discrimination'.

There follows a whole raft of reasons, and advice that they could have an employment tribunal claim. I have presented it as I read it.

No grain of truth is correct. It is about discrimination and protected characteristics so if you are the only woman/ethnic minority/disabled person in a team and you are excluded for that reason it is unlawful. If Fred, white/able bodied/heterosexual doesn't get invited because the other chaps just don't like him it doesn't matter how hurt his feelings are he can't sue anyone.

It isn't just the civil service anyway.

How would anyone prove they were not invited because they were of an ethnic minority/disabled/gay rather than because they were a curmudgeonly, miserable old killjoy?

It's entirely different from discriminating against someone when interviewing for a job.

Well there would be an investigation wouldn't there. Why was the only black/gay/woman or whoever it is the only person left out?

I think it is easier to prove than interviewing for a vacancy, you might only have one space for a widget fitter and six great applicants, they can't all get the job. You have a department with 20 people, 19 get invited to a party and just by chance the only person with the protected characteristic mysteriously doesn't get invited. Yes really hard to figure it out.

If its a work party you invite everyone. The curmudgeonly killjoy will probably decline anyway.

Allira Wed 11-Dec-24 19:55:16

theworriedwell

LovesBach

MaizieD

Oh, I've read the article. Please ignore my last post. There is a grain of truth in the OP. But it's not quite how it's been presented in the OP.

I would say 'grain of truth' is rather diminishing the Senior Political Correspondent's efforts in the Times.

'Civil servants who are not invited to Christmas parties by their colleagues have been advised that they could bring legal claims for discrimination'.

There follows a whole raft of reasons, and advice that they could have an employment tribunal claim. I have presented it as I read it.

No grain of truth is correct. It is about discrimination and protected characteristics so if you are the only woman/ethnic minority/disabled person in a team and you are excluded for that reason it is unlawful. If Fred, white/able bodied/heterosexual doesn't get invited because the other chaps just don't like him it doesn't matter how hurt his feelings are he can't sue anyone.

It isn't just the civil service anyway.

How would anyone prove they were not invited because they were of an ethnic minority/disabled/gay rather than because they were a curmudgeonly, miserable old killjoy?

It's entirely different from discriminating against someone when interviewing for a job.

theworriedwell Wed 11-Dec-24 16:30:51

LovesBach

MaizieD

Oh, I've read the article. Please ignore my last post. There is a grain of truth in the OP. But it's not quite how it's been presented in the OP.

I would say 'grain of truth' is rather diminishing the Senior Political Correspondent's efforts in the Times.

'Civil servants who are not invited to Christmas parties by their colleagues have been advised that they could bring legal claims for discrimination'.

There follows a whole raft of reasons, and advice that they could have an employment tribunal claim. I have presented it as I read it.

No grain of truth is correct. It is about discrimination and protected characteristics so if you are the only woman/ethnic minority/disabled person in a team and you are excluded for that reason it is unlawful. If Fred, white/able bodied/heterosexual doesn't get invited because the other chaps just don't like him it doesn't matter how hurt his feelings are he can't sue anyone.

It isn't just the civil service anyway.

Oreo Wed 11-Dec-24 16:12:30

Allira

NonGrannyMoll

Does anyone still read the Daily Mail, much less actually spend money buying it?

'Ere we go, 'ere we go, 'ere we go!
Judgemental or wot!

The Daily Mail sells 683,530 copies per day on weekdays, but 1.3 million on Saturdays

We buy one on Saturday 😁

If The Guardian were to follow industry trends, its print circulation in February 2024 is estimated to be 60,000. However, The Guardian's circulation is private
Why?

I read it online sometimes. I read the Daily Mail online sometimes, particularly when a poster on here might express shock at something dreadful published in it, even though they never read it 😂

Yeah, amazing as they seem to know all about everything in the DM😂