Bring it on Elon!

PoliticsNerd

Are you talking about imaround's deleted posts on here DroppedOut? Your post seems to bear no relation to what I read and was commenting on.

Wrong thread perhaps?

You asked about the transgression; it happened on the Estrangement sub-forum.

I want to add that my comment about the bitter ex/understanding parent tied into a (likely) explanation for her estrangement in the first place, as she displayed no understanding for her son's emotions since she seemed to be preoccupied with her to see things rationally. I thought the comparison would be obvious and "wake" her up, but I underestimated how hard it must be to take criticism (for some),

preoccupied with her feelings* to see things rationally.

I wish this forum allowed us to edit posts.

Galaxy

Voting correctly dear God. I dont even know where to start.

😁

PoliticsNerd

Are you talking about imaround's deleted posts on here DroppedOut? Your post seems to bear no relation to what I read and was commenting on.

Wrong thread perhaps?

Perhaps imaround asked herself for her posts to be deleted.

Sometimes, especially at a weekend, the wrong message might appear. Quite understandable.

My posts haven't been deleted that I can see? I haven't posted on the estrangement threads in over a year at least?

My posts here have stayed on topic and have been respectful, so I have no idea why they would be deleted.

imaround

My posts haven't been deleted that I can see? I haven't posted on the estrangement threads in over a year at least?

My posts here have stayed on topic and have been respectful, so I have no idea why they would be deleted.

Are you talking about imaround's deleted posts on here DroppedOut? Your post seems to bear no relation to what I read and was commenting on.

I have looked back, imaround and in fact it is DroppedOut who has had a couple of posts deleted.

I do apologise, I was responding to what another poster said.

Is there some funny business going on?
Strange.

No offense taken. I actually went back to make sure I had not been deleted!

imaround

No offense taken. I actually went back to make sure I had not been deleted!

Well, I shoul have checked not taken it at face value.

There’s nothing offensive in your posts imaround, they’re very interesting. There’s some confusion with another thread I think.

Allira

imaround

My posts haven't been deleted that I can see? I haven't posted on the estrangement threads in over a year at least?

My posts here have stayed on topic and have been respectful, so I have no idea why they would be deleted.

Are you talking about imaround's deleted posts on here DroppedOut? Your post seems to bear no relation to what I read and was commenting on.

I have looked back, imaround and in fact it is DroppedOut who has had a couple of posts deleted.

I do apologise, I was responding to what another poster said.

Is there some funny business going on?
Strange.

As was I. That'll teach us

PoliticsNerd

Are you talking about imaround's deleted posts on here DroppedOut? Your post seems to bear no relation to what I read and was commenting on.

Wrong thread perhaps?

It was DroppingIn's posts that were deleted on this thread. I asked about them, earlier.

imaround hasn't been deleted at all, as far as I can see.

Is DroppedOut the same poster?

I'm quite mystified as to what is going on here and who is who

DroppedOut

Allira

your ?? you ??
Who are you referring to when you say your and you exactly?

Correctly - in whose opinion?

I guess I had "MaizieD" in mind when writing that as I've only read the most recent posts on this thread, but it's meant to apply to anyone who wrote (lengthy) posts about topics more abstract than the usual fear-mongering that right-wing talking heads like to constantly espouse.

I'm also mystified by this post...

DroppedOut

Watch a elon/trump rally, than re-read your compelling, yet lengthy posts.

I think the concepts you bring up are too abstract for elon supporters to ever get behind.

I don't know how to phrase it any nicer. This is just the brass tacks.

If you're referring to my lengthy post at 13.26 I don't see that there's anything difficult to understand in it.

It's a very simple concept. The state creates money and issues it by spending into the national economy. The wealthy hoover up as much of that money as they possibly can by selling goods and services to the general public (or to the state itself) at a vast profit and by avoiding the taxation that would return the state issued money to the state.

How is that difficult to understand?

PoliticsNerd

Allira

imaround

My posts haven't been deleted that I can see? I haven't posted on the estrangement threads in over a year at least?

My posts here have stayed on topic and have been respectful, so I have no idea why they would be deleted.

Are you talking about imaround's deleted posts on here DroppedOut? Your post seems to bear no relation to what I read and was commenting on.

I have looked back, imaround and in fact it is DroppedOut who has had a couple of posts deleted.

I do apologise, I was responding to what another poster said.

Is there some funny business going on?
Strange.

As was I. That'll teach us

RTFT as they say (whoever they are)
I'd just say RTWT!

I am not the same person as DroppedOut. I have been on GN for many years, mostly in estrangement as I was estranged from my mother. I stopped posting there a long while ago for many reasons. I don't post on GN as often as I used to and took a break for a while, but this topic is of interest to me because, well I am living it. And if I can open a single person's eyes on Musk, it is worth it.

The only other user name I have had is freedomfromthepast, which I lost the log on information to so I created this one.

I feel as though I’m in an alternative universe on here - dropped in - dropped out - and turned around or is it I’m around. Dizzy or what. It’s like a political Hokey Cokey.

imaround

I am not the same person as DroppedOut. I have been on GN for many years, mostly in estrangement as I was estranged from my mother. I stopped posting there a long while ago for many reasons. I don't post on GN as often as I used to and took a break for a while, but this topic is of interest to me because, well I am living it. And if I can open a single person's eyes on Musk, it is worth it.

The only other user name I have had is freedomfromthepast, which I lost the log on information to so I created this one.

So you dropped out now you've dropped in again so you're around again, imaround

I think I've got it, by Jove! 😀

MaizeD

Genuine question, in your description above about money introduced by government what happens to money sent to China for goods as that money is removed from the money supply

Also if money issuers can generate as much as they need how come Russia is struggling to pay the wages of soldiers etc Would they not make the money?

I read an article that said the reason the USA needs to cut costs is the only reason they can borrow the 12 trillion they owe is because the dollar is the world reserve currency but they are worried that China etc are trying to make the Yuan the reserve currency and this would make the dollar collapse.

I think you have it Allira! 🤣

Ohhowwelaughed: I am not going to pretend to know anything high level about the money issue, but that sounds similar to what I have heard.

Trump is trying to remove our debt ceiling, which is not at all fiscally conservative if you ask me. It is something the democrats have been trying to for years.

25% of our national debt was created during Trumps first term. I hesitate to give him an open check, especially when we will have less checks and balances starting in January.

Maremia

Shinamae, thank you for admiting what many believe to be true, that Reform does NOT have a policy for the NHS.

I also said they had plenty of time to work on their policies..

Chocolatelovinggran

So, love0c you are happy comparing our elected parliament with a never - elected man who suggested that the right party for a foreign country, in which he has no stake, is a Neo - Nazi organisation?
I understand that you dislike the ruling party, but is this a position you can defend?
Has Mr Starmer spoke of " gassing and shooting " a section of the electorate?

Good God, what an absolutely terrible thing to say, shame on you..

imaround

I think you have it Allira! 🤣

Ohhowwelaughed: I am not going to pretend to know anything high level about the money issue, but that sounds similar to what I have heard.

Trump is trying to remove our debt ceiling, which is not at all fiscally conservative if you ask me. It is something the democrats have been trying to for years.

25% of our national debt was created during Trumps first term. I hesitate to give him an open check, especially when we will have less checks and balances starting in January.

Yes but I feel sometimes it's fine having more checks and balances but not much good if the country is bankrupt, I assume things would be worse then

Trump like the Conservatives will have added debt due to COVID.

You said earlier that Musks reason may be to open a market in China but Tesla already has a gigafactory in China so I don't think it's that.

Musk wants to build a second plant in China. He also wants to work with the Chinese government on his self-driving technology. He can't do that if the feds put laws in place to restrict business in China.

In the first finance bill that Musk shut down, there was a restriction on business in China. In the second bill that was created without Democrat input, that provision was removed. I do not know if it was returned to the final bill that passed. I haven't had time today to research it.

Yes, Covid was the reason he added so much debt. But not the only reason. I am wondering the reasoning behind him wanting to eliminate the debt ceiling, while at the same time wanting to cut over $2 trillion. Bill #2 failed because 38 Republicans joined the Democrats in saying no because they refuse to raise the debt ceiling.

It is pretty at odds, in my opinion, to say we spend to much and then ask to have unlimited spending money.

If you are interested to read more about why Musk stopped our democratic process to pass a spending bill, this article is pretty good overview. Musk is a dangerous man.

prospect.org/politics/2024-12-20-government-shutting-down-elon-musk-factories-china/