Bring it on Elon!

Saw this on Instagram …

Labour and the Liberals and a lot of the Tories, are the adults in the room, the right sort of people, the clever types, the enlightened ones, the philosopher kings, there to save the benighted befuddled lumpen masses from themselves.

That's why, the last time the twerps - of which I'm one - had the nerve to vote the wrong way, Brexit, that's why the better people went crazy, trying every legal lawyer liar three card trick in parliament and in the courts, whilst more of their number painted their faces yellow and blue and wore silly clothes outside parliament, and brought their dog along for good measure (the wooferendum). And Starmer was, don't forget, the shadow minister in charge of thwarting Brexit.

So, yes if they know they're going to lose, I fully believe they'll go into cheat mode to stop an electoral meltdown.
They've got form.

May next year? Gerrymandering by any other name don’t you think?

What price democracy now Mr. Starmer? You’re tanking it in the polls, you know it so Something Has to be Done.

I find threads like this sickening to be honest…

MayBee70

I find threads like this sickening to be honest…

Maybe best not to look at them

Do not keep smearing Reform for their success and appeal when it is the Labour party who are wrong at present and who are damaging the country and established political system.

To continue in this vein is insulting to those of us who can see, very clearly, that the direction of travel needs to change. You are pushing us towards Reform, not away from it, with your slurs!

No mention from the BBC (yet) about the proposals re cancelling some council elections next may. Strange that. Or maybe not.

flappergirl

FGT and JudyBloom, be careful what you wish for. Just saying.

My thoughts exactly...

Suspending local elections seems to me to be perfectly valid grounds for genuine grievance against the incumbent government: particularly when all the indications are that Reform would do well and Labour would suffer at said elections.

MayBee70

I find threads like this sickening to be honest…

Oh blimey. Well jog on then 🙄

Maybe someone could explain to me why the very people that rejoiced in us leaving the EU because it was run by ‘unelected bureaucrats’ ( who actually were elected but let’s not let the truth get in the way of fiction) are now happy for us to be controlled by Musk and Trump?

Even if Musk gets favourable terms on setting up a giga-factory here, it can only be good news for the country compared to the fiscally-illiterate codswallop we have in charge at the moment...

Just listening to Farage on GB News tonight relating how the world's biggest industrialists are flocking to Trump with offers of jobs and investment gives you an idea of what we're missing out on with our high tax stupidity...

Looks like the May Elections will be off, (pretty much) Starmer knows he will be in for a trouncing so wants to cancel for two years,

MayBee70 I don’t feel controlled by Musk and Trump. I feel very controlled by Starmer and Reeves which is to be expected as they do run the country! Right mess with no signs of any progress or improvement - it’s a race to the bottom. Quite honestly, Trump and Musk would probably better for the UK. Can it get much worse?

FGT I ask AGAIN… what would Reform do to improve things for the UK population? PLEASE???

ronib

MayBee70 I don’t feel controlled by Musk and Trump. I feel very controlled by Starmer and Reeves which is to be expected as they do run the country! Right mess with no signs of any progress or improvement - it’s a race to the bottom. Quite honestly, Trump and Musk would probably better for the UK. Can it get much worse?

You mean, privatising the NHS for starters?

Oh LizzieDrip I’m not falling for that old chestnut again! I did explain on a number of occasions in the past. Google really is your friend now.

Re foreign money: A Chinese spy, Christine Lee who today lost her case against MI5 gave some £600,000 in total to Labour - £500,000 to Barry Gardiner M.P. alone, who employed Lee's son in his office. Starmer said that Gardiner had followed the rules so it was fine.

Sauce for the goose now?

Very interesting radio 4 programme about Elon.
He seemed to have completely flipped when his son changed sex.
Before that he was a more normal human being. He was a Hilary Clinton supporter.

MayBee70 I’d ask Wes Streeting about the NHS. He has 5 years to turn it around. If it’s still not working by 2029, then think again at that time.

ronib

MayBee70 I’d ask Wes Streeting about the NHS. He has 5 years to turn it around. If it’s still not working by 2029, then think again at that time.

And what did the Conservatives achieve in 14 years?

I cannot believe any sane person could follow Farage and actually applaud him
How can anyone not see through this man he is transparently nasty, right wing, racist, anti Euro whilst married to a European ( maybe divorced now not sure) so total hypocrite he is an English Trump makes me shudder to even say his name

He seemed to have completely flipped when his son changed sex

To be honest Grammaretto I think I would too. It affects such a minuscule percentage of people it’s still pretty ‘niche’ I bet only a very few folk on here have actual experience of this within their own family. Yet some ‘know of others’.

Whichever individual has huge wealth and power - well, the two do go hand-in-hand - has to be watched; not only by those who oppose him (it's usually a him), but also by those who endorse him.

It takes a fine man, full of integrity and honour, not to abuse such a position.

And history has not looked kindly on such individuals.

So yes, I think you should be careful of what you wish for.

You may get it. But you might just as easily ultimately get that which you really don't want, and which is going to blight your life. A trade-off.

American socio-economic culture is quite different to ours. You only have to compare our histories to see just how our culture differs. We've never had to deal with the 'wild frontier' for a start, which has shaped so much of their thinking - not to mention their gun-culture.

The wealthy, the powerful, are not going to relinquish either. Quite a feat really, when you think about it. They have to persuade not only their peers, but the masses who might have very little in the way of power or money, that they are the best thing since sliced-bread and will create future prosperity for the whole country.

If you think they are acting from altruistic principles rather than self-preservation for themselves and their companions, go ahead and rejoice!

Actually this is interesting. Candy (previous Labour donor, a very wealthy man) and his commitment to Reform is a huge game changer for them. Farage is copying Trump’s election strategy of building a broad church of hugely successful people and starting to ‘succession plan’ by bringing in younger key players who can carry the flag after him.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

^He seemed to have completely flipped when his son changed sex^

To be honest Grammaretto I think I would too. It affects such a minuscule percentage of people it’s still pretty ‘niche’ I bet only a very few folk on here have actual experience of this within their own family. Yet some ‘know of others’.

Maybe not within my own family, but I do personally know three families who have experienced that. All three still have close, loving relationships with their children.

MayBee70 am thinking that not even the Conservatives caused as much damage to the economy as 5 months of Reeves and Starmer. It’s looking pretty depressing to be honest. Very disappointing to be fair.

… I’m off for my mug of Horlicks now then my bed. 😊
Thanks everyone tonight for joining in. It’s good to debate topics in the news. I’ll join in tomorrow if this thread is still active.