Bring it on Elon!

Deedaa

I can't help feeling that a political party that is run as a company and accepts large donations from a foreigner is not a good thing, but the big worry is the lack of information about Reforms policies. I see plenty of supporters talking about how reform will change everything and "clean the swamp" but no details of how this will happen. People are saying that Farage MUST be Prime Minister, but again no plan to achieve this. Do they expect armed supporters to take to the streets, or do they expect the entire population to join Reform? I think I read that their plans for the NHS covered half an A4 page. It doesn't bode well at the moment.

This is surely the key relevant question?

This is the third page and the discussion has been big on rhetoric and criticism and how Reform Will Save Us All

But not a single word - not one - on any policy.

imaround

Elon has made over $100 million dollars since Jan 6th. He is now in charge of the regulators who regulate his business. This is self enrichment at its finest.

Let's not blame this on his transgender daughter. She started transitioning well before his flip floppong started.

Elon Musk would be in deep trouble if he’d only made $100 million in just short of a year.

Fleurpepper

So we should notbe part of a coalition which makes common rules together (the EU with us at top table)- but totalsell out to the USA, Trump and Musk = brilliant news.

Bizarre and sick.

Thing is with EU, they demand terms for their protectionist racket, even Benjamin Butterworth, an ardent remainer, agrees that they are. Follow rules regulations or else, give us this ,or else, rather like a dictatorship. With America and the biggest trading block we now belong to CPTPP, some concerns, but it is a free trade agreement, making it easier to trade with other countries import and export. Bye EU.

If it was a dictatorship how come we had a casting vote?

Wyllow3

Deedaa

I can't help feeling that a political party that is run as a company and accepts large donations from a foreigner is not a good thing, but the big worry is the lack of information about Reforms policies. I see plenty of supporters talking about how reform will change everything and "clean the swamp" but no details of how this will happen. People are saying that Farage MUST be Prime Minister, but again no plan to achieve this. Do they expect armed supporters to take to the streets, or do they expect the entire population to join Reform? I think I read that their plans for the NHS covered half an A4 page. It doesn't bode well at the moment.

This is surely the key relevant question?

This is the third page and the discussion has been big on rhetoric and criticism and how Reform Will Save Us All

But not a single word - not one - on any policy.

Well let's face it, every thing Labour promised before and in its manifesto, they've lied through their teeth about and done the opposite. Country in debt, yet they are borrowing more and more, like kids in a sweet shop, throwing it around the world like confetti, but not for our benefit though.
As Maggie said" the trouble with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money".
Reform have a manifesto, but as there is no election due yet, unfortunately, it is not relevant.

imaround

You may not be blaming her, but others are.

All I am trying to get across is, don't let the chatter drown out what us really going on. England still has a chance to stop this. We do not.

Just for information it's not England but the UK which comprises England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales (given in alphabetical order so as to avoid offence). I don't know why so many Americans don't realise we are a union and NI,Scotland and Wales aren't just 'parts' of England.

Replace Starmer with someone strong and respected. Not rocket science is it ?

What things have l,about done the opposite of?

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What a nasty post! I may not agree with FGT's politics but that's uncalled for! Says far more about you than her.

Rosie51

imaround

You may not be blaming her, but others are.

All I am trying to get across is, don't let the chatter drown out what us really going on. England still has a chance to stop this. We do not.

Just for information it's not England but the UK which comprises England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales (given in alphabetical order so as to avoid offence). I don't know why so many Americans don't realise we are a union and NI,Scotland and Wales aren't just 'parts' of England.

I know exactly what compromises the UK, thanks.

It will be interesting to watch what Scotland and Northern Ireland does if the UK goes down this road. Especially if the UK turns farther away from the EU and aligns with Trump and Elon.

But you all keep being pedantic about it. I am sure that will help.

I just saw my typo. Sorry.

nanna8

Replace Starmer with someone strong and respected. Not rocket science is it ?

Who do you suggest?

I just looked up the Reform UK policy line up. It is nearly identical to what Trump and his cronies have brought to the US. I hope it works out for you all better then it did us.

I am moving back into the realm of trying to regroup to work around what Trump and Elon have planned for us as best as I can. I wish you all well for the future.

This Mark Coles' profile of Elon Musk programme is worth a listen:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07tq925

I actually meant to share this: why is Elon Musk trolling Britain

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0026jt9?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

I am pretty sure only a UK based business can contribute to a political party, the problem with Musk is that the could buy or form a UK business just to do that. He obviously makes a lot of money in the UK from Tesla products and X ( twitter) social media, so does have business interests here.

Farage himself is just a spoiler that makes outrageous statements to get media attention, Reform is a problem because it’s highly unlikely to form a majority, but holding the balance of power in a coalition is a real prospect in 5 yrs time.

It’s very possible that Starmer will fail in his bid to turn the UK economy before the next GE, having made Labour unpopular in the process. Then a Tory / Reform coalition is very possible that is going to be very bad indeed for the UK.

Grammaretto

I actually meant to share this: why is Elon Musk trolling Britain

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0026jt9?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

Thanks for the link Grammaretto - it's interesting, but I don't think it delved deeply enough into Musk's motives.

It was one of those questions the answers to which raised more questions than it answered. I don't think anyone will be persuaded to reflect on their opinion, for or against the man.

Personally, I'm wary of anyone with huge wealth who signs up to and promotes a political ideology regardless of what that ideology is.

David49

I am pretty sure only a UK based business can contribute to a political party, the problem with Musk is that the could buy or form a UK business just to do that. He obviously makes a lot of money in the UK from Tesla products and X ( twitter) social media, so does have business interests here.

Farage himself is just a spoiler that makes outrageous statements to get media attention, Reform is a problem because it’s highly unlikely to form a majority, but holding the balance of power in a coalition is a real prospect in 5 yrs time.

It’s very possible that Starmer will fail in his bid to turn the UK economy before the next GE, having made Labour unpopular in the process. Then a Tory / Reform coalition is very possible that is going to be very bad indeed for the UK.

It’s very possible that Starmer will fail in his bid to turn the UK economy before the next GE, having made Labour unpopular in the process. Then a Tory / Reform coalition is very possible that is going to be very bad indeed for the UK.

Entirely agree.

I copied this from the Reform website.
Only Reform will stand up for British culture, identity and values.
What powers are Reform selling to the very non British Musk to make him think it is worth his while to meddle in British politics? Reform need to tell us what Musk is getting in return for his investment so that voters can decide whether or not it is a good thing. They won't take it on blind trust, will they?

Rosie51

What a nasty post! I may not agree with FGT's politics but that's uncalled for! Says far more about you than her.

Its why I dont comment much on N&P any more.

I think the average British voter has more pressing concerns than Musk and Reform. Most importantly survival.

Unless the Conservatives and Reform form a pact, it’s most likely that Labour will win the next election due to fptp . Can’t see Badenoch and Farage teaming up so Starmer will have a clear run.

I dropped by to have a read. Not stopping.

HousePlantQueen

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Labour and the Liberals and a lot of the Tories, are the adults in the room, the right sort of people, the clever types, the enlightened ones, the philosopher kings, there to save the benighted befuddled lumpen masses from themselves.

That's why, the last time the twerps - of which I'm one - had the nerve to vote the wrong way, Brexit, that's why the better people went crazy, trying every legal lawyer liar three card trick in parliament and in the courts, whilst more of their number painted their faces yellow and blue and wore silly clothes outside parliament, and brought their dog along for good measure (the wooferendum). And Starmer was, don't forget, the shadow minister in charge of thwarting Brexit.

So, yes if they know they're going to lose, I fully believe they'll go into cheat mode to stop an electoral meltdown.
They've got form.

May next year? Gerrymandering by any other name don’t you think?

What price democracy now Mr. Starmer? You’re tanking it in the polls, you know it so Something Has to be Done.

Have you forgotten to take your medication? This post is unintelligible

How rude of you. FGT2 post makes perfect sense to me.

Why do posters think it ok to insult another poster?

Question their post/views by all means, resorting to insults, totally unnecessary HousePlantQueen