Two men charged with assaulting police officers after the Manchester Airport brawl

Oreo

I would have trial after trial until the jury had watched every moment of the violence of those men and had been told by the judge that they cannot go against evidence because they don’t like the police or they share the same religion or culture of those thugs.Otherwise they will be in contempt of court.

By that logic, juries would let white Christians go free if they had some white Christians on it. 🙄
It's actually very offensive imo to assume that if some of the jury happened to have the same cultural background as the accused.

Both brothers were caught on camera repeatedly punching different officers.

...they would automatically decide on the basis of culture not evidence. Don't you see how borderline racist that is?

I think there would have been a mixture on the jury including those of the same culture as the two brothers.

I find the verdict weirdly unbelievable. Needs investigating.

Wyllow3

...they would automatically decide on the basis of culture not evidence. Don't you see how borderline racist that is?

Of course it isn’t, in some cultures some violent actions would be deemed as either necessary and even desirable.

Agreed Allsorts it’s beyond bizzare.

Oreo

Wyllow3

...they would automatically decide on the basis of culture not evidence. Don't you see how borderline racist that is?

Of course it isn’t, in some cultures some violent actions would be deemed as either necessary and even desirable.

Including hitting back at police who are arresting them and failing to go quietly.
Which is what happened at the airport.They had already attacked a man earlier for failing to show ‘respect’ on the plane and were pumped up and ready for more aggression when approached by the police.

I shall just hope that when the brother in custody is sentenced it will be a fitting sentence for the crime.

One of them felt he was going to be killed and did not realise the PC was really the Police. errr, he was in uniform with the word POLICE on his hat!

Unbelievable!

Hang on a bit. their mother was racially abused on the plane by that man.

Wyllow3

Hang on a bit. their mother was racially abused on the plane by that man.

That was their excuse to the physical violence they meted out.
The man in question was also Asian btw.

Wyllow3

Hang on a bit. their mother was racially abused on the plane by that man.

So he claimed anyway.

And only the Mother and him know what was said on the plane and from what I read at the time he didn’t direct any comments to her but she overheard something.
When she left the plane and met her sons she then complained to them.And so the violence started.

Oreo

Of course it isn’t, in some cultures some violent actions would be deemed as either necessary and even desirable.

Hmm - like some of the gun wielding Christian nationalists in the MAGA crowd?*

Look, people from all cultures under severe pressure will become violent. Muslims are no different from any other as we look back historically.

We have to deal with he specifics of exactly what happened where both the police and the alleged assailants were under a great deal of pressure. The internal investigation within the police isnt just a matter of "overkill" it is because some of the actions were questionable as to the degree of response and possibly some provocation earlier in another past of the airport as it all begin to unfold. It really isnt as simple of this

"Muslim baddies win the day due to softy lefties" as is being made out - it may suit a right wing narrative who wish to predict it will affect Makerfield and paint all Muslims with the same label but it really was all very complex.

Wyllow3
It’s absolutely true that some violent actions would be deemed desirable and necessary in some cultures.
I don’t know the background ethnically/ culturally of the men in the Manchester airport so can’t say if it’s true of them or not.
If you think for instance about what are called honour or dowry violence and killings then you must realise that what I said is true.

It has absolutely zilch to do with right wing/ left wing concerns, none at all.

And any violence to the police by ‘gun wielding Christian nationalists in the MAGA crowd’ would be just as bad.

Oreo

It has absolutely zilch to do with right wing/ left wing concerns, none at all.

Hmmm.

Wyllow3

I'm glad decisions have been reached after uncertainty , and they have clearly considered every angle because of the publicity.
They are UK citizens and will be dealt with accordingly, we don't deport our own citizens.

That's a shame, I was making a list. It's quite long now. Does Nige from Reform have one 'r' or two in his name?

twaddle

FriedGreenTomatoes2

The defence solicitor is the same solicitor that is defending Nicola Sturgeon

But if useless information on a Friday night

How could these thugs who attacked the Police afford expensive representation??

No idea, but it was the jury who didn't convict. The people's decision. Sorry, but if you don't like the jury system, maybe you should vote for a party which wants to get rid of it. Unfortunately, juries are an integral part of democracy.

but if you don't like the jury system, maybe you should vote for a party which wants to get rid of it.
Unfortunately I mistakenly did! Or have you missed the bit where our present government wants to further restrict the right to trial by a jury of your peers?

Sarnia

Wyllow3

I'm glad decisions have been reached after uncertainty , and they have clearly considered every angle because of the publicity.
They are UK citizens and will be dealt with accordingly, we don't deport our own citizens.

That's a shame, I was making a list. It's quite long now. Does Nige from Reform have one 'r' or two in his name?

Are you suggesting that Farage should be deported?