Money-grubber Farage?

When I was growing up I used to follow the hounds on my pony. Not an expensive thing, we had a small farm & she had a small paddock in it, she shared the cattle's hay & straw, I did all the work myself after school. Taught by a friend, riding lessons too expensive, so too clipping & rugs but she was a welsh mountain pony, didn't need them. Only real expense was the farrier. My uncle was also an avid foot follower. There were a couple of toffs but there were mainly working class rural people like us.
I agree with Sago. Not that I would like to see foxhunting legalised again, I wouldn't, but it was an important part of life for so many country people.

It's outdated, at best now.
Not because of toffs or any other "class" of people, but because the tearing apart of animals for sport is abhorrent.

Flappergirl my understanding of Sago's post is different to yours.
In no way, is Sago condoning hunting. She simply makes the point that it is not just the wealthy and or titled people who ride to hunt.

Sago did not condemn fox hunting ? she voiced the reasons Farage put forward to support it, no difference , it is either right or wrong.

All people in the country have a little pony and a paddock , not the farmer labourers I knew.

Again ‘class’ comes into this , hate that word, dog fighting, popular in very poverty hit areas ? banned .

I assume those defending hunting have no problem when listening to the screams of the fox, seeing it fitting from terror ,
seen vixens trying to protect her cubs when cubbing is such a fun!
I was a hunt sabotage , I witnessed the evils of this sport ! I filmed it, please believe me, it is horrific

Aldom

Flappergirl my understanding of Sago's post is different to yours.
In no way, is Sago condoning hunting. She simply makes the point that it is not just the wealthy and or titled people who ride to hunt.

The people who hunt aren’t your average Joe. You couldn’t buy a horse, learn to ride, and join in. They aren’t all personally rich people, but if they aren’t they have very strong connections to those who are.

Casdon we are a professional family. Middle class. We had horses in the 1970's when my daughter was young and enjoyed riding. She never rode with the local hunt because she and her family were /are totally anti hunting.

Aldom

Flappergirl my understanding of Sago's post is different to yours.
In no way, is Sago condoning hunting. She simply makes the point that it is not just the wealthy and or titled people who ride to hunt.

That’s how the comment by Sago reads to me as well.
I sometimes wonder if posters put their own stance on a post when it really isn’t there.She’s saying it’s not as exclusive as people assume it to be.
Fox hunting won’t be making a comeback anytime soon am pleased to say but hunts following a scent still keeps the hobby alive for both hunts and the followers.

When I was younger we would go and watch the Puckeridge and Thurlow Hunt on Boxing Day. It was magnificent watching the red coated huntsmen on their horses, with the dogs chasing the fox streaking across the countryside and the sound of the horn. What came next was not magnificent. If the fox went to ground it was dug out and its ultimate end was worse than horrific.

The huntsmen were all toffs who didn’t give a toss about us common villages at any time. I suspect we were only one step above the fox and other vermin. It was definitely an upper class so called sport back then and I was totally opposed to it and its participants. As Oscar Wilde said “the unspeakable in full pursuit of the unedible.” I’m surprised Farage would want to support it, or maybe not.

Fox hunting is still taking place, cubbing is still taking place,

I thought this post was about money grubbing Farage. I can't see how he can possibly do his constituency work if he is working for so many other concerns .
Shouldn't he be sent down or whatever they do for neglect of his constituents.

The O/P speaks of money and hunting

I think a lot of MP’s do money spinning stuff tbf, after dinner speeches and consultations and so on.I don’t know if NF does more than others.Only his constituents will know if they’re satisfied with him as an MP or not.

It is up to his constituency to do anything constructive about his non attendance at his day job. All we can do is comment. Now he admits to a new position, with a bullion company. Time to look again at the laws concerning MPs and second jobs?

Anniebach, kudos to you.

I felt the main point of the 0p was about Farage's earnings and lack of work in constituency with a secondary point about fox hunting.

Maremia

It is up to his constituency to do anything constructive about his non attendance at his day job. All we can do is comment. Now he admits to a new position, with a bullion company. Time to look again at the laws concerning MPs and second jobs?

Long, long overdue.

Can’t get a reply from our constituency MP Dan Norris about anything. He is too busy being WECA mayor his current second job for which he gets paid. Once an MP is in it’s difficult to get them out. I doubt Clacton is bothered about foxhunting anyway.

Anniebach - all my grandparents were farm labourers. My uncle who was a keen follower was also a farm labourer.
It's banned now & rightly so, as you say like dogfighting which however is far easier to do illegally without attracting attention.
I just get cross when people assume it was all for wealthy people. The countryside demographic may be wealthy now but not when I was growing up, & my townie schoolfriends spent far more on clothes & cinema & Wimpy Bars etc than my village friends who pottered around on their ponies (& a donkey).

valdali sorry if i annoy you, your family of farm labourers were very lucky to have to own horses, i lived in Mid Wales for many years , didn’t know one farm labourer who owned a horse. It wasn’t totally banned and what was still goes on

Aldom

Casdon we are a professional family. Middle class. We had horses in the 1970's when my daughter was young and enjoyed riding. She never rode with the local hunt because she and her family were /are totally anti hunting.

Yes Aldom, the point I was trying to make is that your daughter wouldn’t have been allowed to join the hunt anyway, because it’s a closed shop, having a horse but being an outsider doesn’t qualify you to join, you have to be in with the hunting crowd. It’s got more that way in recent years because of the fear of hunt saboteurs.

I grew up in a village and I can tell you it was only the upper crust who went hunting or owned horses. Us plebs were patronised. We never even got to ride horses, although a friend did achieve it by mucking out stables for free. No farm workers in my village owned horses.

My uncle was Master of the Hunt in Carms, South Wales, probably near Anniebach. When we stayed at the house, which was a castell, I remember the hunting party being oh so terribly posh and full of snobs. The ladies all wore pearls. The only good part for me was visiting the kennels to see the hounds because I loved dogs, but I don't think I realised how horrific the actual hunt was. My uncle also owned several horses because I remember being allowed to choose which one to groom and plait the tail. Upper crust, yes very much and no farm workers in sight. The closed social milieu was very alien to me, totally unlike that of private school people.

Interesting that this thread has turned into one about Farage. I am really glad that it appears no one favours Farage, he frightens me.
After I moved to the Cotswolds, I got involved with a badger group and that led to going out with some hunt sabs one day. I got the shock of my life and my law-abiding, unbelievably tolerant husband has never got over it. An older woman in the group was filming stopped up entrances to a badger sett, a thug called a 'terrier man' tried to take her phone and ended up pushing her over. She was hurt though not terribly and my husband called the police who actually came and took details!

Meanwhile, we agreed to help the sabs by following the field in our car as a lot of hunt supporters do. We stopped at a large lay-by and immediately found a car actually stopped touching the boot of our car and another reversed in front of us so we were trapped. We got out of the car and set off towards the hunt noise and suddenly two thugs began to follow us so close that they were actually touching us, they wore balaclavas and were totally silent, two others included a female, also masked walked in front. My husband tried to engage them in debate, some hope!!
There was a lot of faffing around, horse riders crashing past, the day seemed to end with no fox caught, thank goodness. By chance I had caught a photo of the 'terrier men', who had pushed the woman, over on my phone so the police went ahead with a prosecution. It failed because the hunt declared they didn't know the men! Of course not!!
I don't know about toffs but there is a lot of cruelty and subterfuge involved including breeding fox cubs to be hunted, pretending not to be hunting foxes when they are, stopping up badger setts and attacking protestors. The huntsmen and their helpers and followers all seem pretty 'posh' and the horses are not ex-cart types but some very expensive animals indeed.
Poor old animals of all kinds, why can't humans find better ways of enjoying themselves?

Anniebach - thanks for saying sorry. My local hunt mayn't have been typical, they weren't very posh & didn't often "kill".
We were never vetted before turning up at the meet, that was the best thing about it. The meets were in the paper, you turned up & paid your (50p?), then you got to follow with the rest of the field. They did ask we take the donkey away the one time we turned up to follow hounds with it though!My grandad had TB as a youngster & his employer took him back after the sanitorium as a chauffeur, then when he could do mechanics etc he got better jobs & managed to get the tenancy for a 50 acre farm. However when I was at Grammar school, I used to be laughed at for my accent & for being a "Yokel" so I earned the right to call myself working class the hard way.

MissAdventure

It's outdated, at best now.
Not because of toffs or any other "class" of people, but because the tearing apart of animals for sport is abhorrent.

I agree. I lived in the country for a few years in my childhood and I rode for many years.

Fox hunting, along with cock fighting, bear baiting, dog fighting, bull fighting, etc etc are things we should have left behind years ago. It was considered “sport”, but hardly sporting given the odds. It’s cruel, barbaric and unnecessary.

Not going to bother commenting on Farage, I just find him so arrogant, annoying and a complete ass, so I try not think about him! There, & I’ve commented on him 😂😂😂😂