Cheer up, Bridget, your lucky day is nigh!

MaizieD

escaped

I agree Casdon that state schools will never ever have the specialist teaching expertise found in the independent sector. I don't just mean in academic subjects, but in Sport, Music, Art, Drama etc. It also needs specialist facilities to take children with exceptional talents to the highest level, and this requires real estate and state of the art premises. Most parents at private schools won't want to make their children poorer in their sporting and cultural life, so they will pay more knowing that their children are receiving the best of the best that can never be equalled by a state school.

I don't intend to join this utterly pointless discussion any further but I've read most of the posts and if vegansrock's post was deemed to be insulting to private school pupils I feel that this one is the other side of the coin and is extremely insulting to state school teachers and to state schools which provide an excellent all round education.

I'm surprised that none of the teachers or former teachers posting on here has pulled escaped up on it.

There was absolutely nothing in escaped's posts which could see which criticised teachers in the state system.

If it was a criticism of the state system then it would be blaming successive governments in eroding those facilities which we had come to expect for our own DC - ie good sports facilities, music lessons etc which may be lacking now.

MissAdventure

Pay taxes, then.
It's such a simple concept.

What happened to all the people who used to say on here "I'd be happy to pay extra if it helped (fill in, as appropriate)?

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Simple!

Pay taxes, then.
It's such a simple concept.

What happened to all the people who used to say on here "I'd be happy to pay extra if it helped (fill in, as appropriate)?

Casdon

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Casdon

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Wyllow3

I think that post by vegansrock was part spoof designed to get a reaction,

- which it did.

Its a caricature straight from the very "elite" schools beloved of many cartoons

It sure did!
But note that no one on here ever writes a crude caricature of low class, common Kyles and Jelly Belly children. It's off limits. In the past on GN we've had posters, who should know better, ridiculing children at private schools to prove their points.
Sorry, but it's something a few of us feel strongly about.

Sadly they do get caricatured though escaped. You just did yourself it by identifying names you thought fitted. Look at the threads about mobile phones, getting nails done, missing school, discipline, gangs, eating habits etc. Views of all shades are on Gransnet.

Of course I did it myself, because I went straight back to the offending post and chose opposites to the vocabulary it contained. They were not my personal thoughts.

The effect is the same, whether it’s knowing or unknowing though.

Well, I disagree, but will leave it there.

MaizieD

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I agree Casdon that state schools will never ever have the specialist teaching expertise found in the independent sector. I don't just mean in academic subjects, but in Sport, Music, Art, Drama etc. It also needs specialist facilities to take children with exceptional talents to the highest level, and this requires real estate and state of the art premises. Most parents at private schools won't want to make their children poorer in their sporting and cultural life, so they will pay more knowing that their children are receiving the best of the best that can never be equalled by a state school.

I don't intend to join this utterly pointless discussion any further but I've read most of the posts and if vegansrock's post was deemed to be insulting to private school pupils I feel that this one is the other side of the coin and is extremely insulting to state school teachers and to state schools which provide an excellent all round education.

I'm surprised that none of the teachers or former teachers posting on here has pulled escaped up on it.

You've totally misunderstood as usual, MaizieD, or perhaps on purpose!
I was very carefully not to insult state school teachers, who are brilliant at their jobs with the resources available to them.
I'm talking about specialists teachers at independent schools who are brought in from the world of sport, performing arts etc. Added to that the amazing facilities on offer. Have you ever visited or worked at Milfield School with its Olympic Swimming pool for example? I have. It isn't pointless to mention these extra benefits , unheard of in the state sector.

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Casdon

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Wyllow3

I think that post by vegansrock was part spoof designed to get a reaction,

- which it did.

Its a caricature straight from the very "elite" schools beloved of many cartoons

It sure did!
But note that no one on here ever writes a crude caricature of low class, common Kyles and Jelly Belly children. It's off limits. In the past on GN we've had posters, who should know better, ridiculing children at private schools to prove their points.
Sorry, but it's something a few of us feel strongly about.

Sadly they do get caricatured though escaped. You just did yourself it by identifying names you thought fitted. Look at the threads about mobile phones, getting nails done, missing school, discipline, gangs, eating habits etc. Views of all shades are on Gransnet.

Of course I did it myself, because I went straight back to the offending post and chose opposites to the vocabulary it contained. They were not my personal thoughts.

The effect is the same, whether it’s knowing or unknowing though.

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Wyllow3

I think that post by vegansrock was part spoof designed to get a reaction,

- which it did.

Its a caricature straight from the very "elite" schools beloved of many cartoons

It sure did!
But note that no one on here ever writes a crude caricature of low class, common Kyles and Jelly Belly children. It's off limits. In the past on GN we've had posters, who should know better, ridiculing children at private schools to prove their points.
Sorry, but it's something a few of us feel strongly about.

Absolutely!

It was full of vitriol.

MissAdventure

I'm not scrolling back through the forum to find one, but it's not totally unheard of - is it?
Whole generations of my family are criticised in a few scathing senrences.

All made up, of course.

That's shameful and sad.

Casdon

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Wyllow3

I think that post by vegansrock was part spoof designed to get a reaction,

- which it did.

Its a caricature straight from the very "elite" schools beloved of many cartoons

It sure did!
But note that no one on here ever writes a crude caricature of low class, common Kyles and Jelly Belly children. It's off limits. In the past on GN we've had posters, who should know better, ridiculing children at private schools to prove their points.
Sorry, but it's something a few of us feel strongly about.

Sadly they do get caricatured though escaped. You just did yourself it by identifying names you thought fitted. Look at the threads about mobile phones, getting nails done, missing school, discipline, gangs, eating habits etc. Views of all shades are on Gransnet.

Of course I did it myself, because I went straight back to the offending post and chose opposites to the vocabulary it contained. They were not my personal thoughts.

escaped

I agree Casdon that state schools will never ever have the specialist teaching expertise found in the independent sector. I don't just mean in academic subjects, but in Sport, Music, Art, Drama etc. It also needs specialist facilities to take children with exceptional talents to the highest level, and this requires real estate and state of the art premises. Most parents at private schools won't want to make their children poorer in their sporting and cultural life, so they will pay more knowing that their children are receiving the best of the best that can never be equalled by a state school.

I don't intend to join this utterly pointless discussion any further but I've read most of the posts and if vegansrock's post was deemed to be insulting to private school pupils I feel that this one is the other side of the coin and is extremely insulting to state school teachers and to state schools which provide an excellent all round education.

I'm surprised that none of the teachers or former teachers posting on here has pulled escaped up on it.

We used private and state schools for our five children according to their educational and pastoral needs at any given point.

I spent an awful amount of time flying between the U.K. and my family home abroad, the private sector were far more accommodating of this.

If I was in the same situation nowadays with state schools fining parents and penalising children (before someone comes on and posts that children are not penalised for their absences I can assure you that they are) I would have no choice other than to have all of the children either privately educated or at the very last resort homeschooled 🙀

I'm not scrolling back through the forum to find one, but it's not totally unheard of - is it?
Whole generations of my family are criticised in a few scathing senrences.

All made up, of course.

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Wyllow3

I think that post by vegansrock was part spoof designed to get a reaction,

- which it did.

Its a caricature straight from the very "elite" schools beloved of many cartoons

It sure did!
But note that no one on here ever writes a crude caricature of low class, common Kyles and Jelly Belly children. It's off limits. In the past on GN we've had posters, who should know better, ridiculing children at private schools to prove their points.
Sorry, but it's something a few of us feel strongly about.

Sadly they do get caricatured though escaped. You just did yourself it by identifying names you thought fitted. Look at the threads about mobile phones, getting nails done, missing school, discipline, gangs, eating habits etc. Views of all shades are on Gransnet.

GrannyGravy13

Allira

And I know there is no apostrophe in the plural of Karen but autocorrect disagrees.

Before anyone gleefully points it out.

I retyped my grammatically incorrect post this morning and I can confirm that my laptop like my iPad and iPhone’s predicted text has obviously not had the benefit of a good British education 🤣🤣🤣

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I have had stern word's with mine but it wont listen.

MissAdventure

Oh, but they do, frequently.

The only difference is they're serious.

Show us one then where a poster has deliberately ridiculed a child in poverty and I will personally give them a lesson!

P.S. If (and it’s an enormous if ) they were to go after the likes of Amazon, Starbucks and all the big boys who get away without paying their dues Labour (or any Government in power) might find that their coffers are significantly increased

I said exactly this to DH this morning. It's as if they are scared of upsetting the big boys and are going for easy targets. Middle Britain, those they think won't argue. Pensioners, farmers, those who see that their local school is failing and discipline has all but disappeared

Allira

And I know there is no apostrophe in the plural of Karen but autocorrect disagrees.

Before anyone gleefully points it out.

I retyped my grammatically incorrect post this morning and I can confirm that my laptop like my iPad and iPhone’s predicted text has obviously not had the benefit of a good British education 🤣🤣🤣

X post Allira. I'm just back ftom a soggy dog walk and hadn't read the other posts.

Oh, but they do, frequently.

The only difference is they're serious.

Wyllow3

I think that post by vegansrock was part spoof designed to get a reaction,

- which it did.

Its a caricature straight from the very "elite" schools beloved of many cartoons

It sure did!
But note that no one on here ever writes a crude caricature of low class, common Kyles and Jelly Belly children. It's off limits. In the past on GN we've had posters, who should know better, ridiculing children at private schools to prove their points.
Sorry, but it's something a few of us feel strongly about.

Private education is necessary when living abroad in a service or diplomatic family.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

No other country in Europe taxes education in this way. Greece tried it 10+ years ago and it was a disaster.

Labour don't like private education because it is "elitist", this makes it even more so.
It's socialism at its most vindictive.

In my opinion.

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Thinking that the £46 million raised 24/25 and £1.5 billion 25/26 VAT (estimates from GOV.UK website) are going to magically increase teachers and student welfare is somewhat fantasy.

Latest figures I could find on GOV.UK are 23/24 the U.K. spent £111 billion on education.

Businesses that charge VAT are also able to reclaim VAT they have been charged, so basically no big deal for the schools, just petty minded politics directed to a section of the electorate which Labour appear to despise.

P.S. If (and it’s an enormous if ) they were to go after the likes of Amazon, Starbucks and all the big boys who get away without paying their dues Labour (or any Government in power) might find that their coffers are significantly increased…

And I know there is no apostrophe in the plural of Karen but autocorrect disagrees.

Before anyone gleefully points it out.

snobbish men
Autocorrect at work again!

Slobbish men