Who are we fighting?

We do not need to 'try to belittle' Keir Starmer. He is doing it very effectively for himself.

He and his government have now been in power for 6 months and almost all polls show that his personal standing and support and that of his party have fallen faster than any other govenrment, of any party at a similar stage of their time in power.

Talk to people who voted for the party and people who have been long term Labour supporters and their sense of bitterness about the conduct of this government and its leaders is corrosive.

From the time we realised that Labour leaders had their snouts in the trough just as enthusiastically as any Conservative back bencher, and all were expensively dressed by one Labour donor, who was now on an inside track to advise government, we knew we had a cloth-eared government who hadn't got a clue.

If you google, GB news getting rid of Latin, several articles pop up.

Just as well we have independent education then?

MaizieD

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fancythat

Is it Starmer that wants to get rid of Latin, and British history?

Yes.
I think he also called visits to museums and art galleries in the curriculum, highbrow pursuits and called to get rid of them too.
Silly use of vocabulary.

Good heavens! Did he really say that ? I don’t believe it. Do you have a source?

I heard snippets of a discussion on GB news.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/labours-decision-to-axe-latin-lessons-is-an-act-of-cultural-vandalism/

LR10

I am really fed up with, and to tell the truth feeling a little insulted, by politicians of all and no particular party feeding us rubbish. Talking to us as if we're unable to understand the complexities of a situation. For example Keir Starmer's New Year pronouncements - he is going to "fight for Britain". Fight who? No meaningless sound bites please, just talk plain common sense man, you might be worth listening to then.

But isn't the OP "just a sound bite" or rather just another way to try and belittle Kier Starmer?

The phrase "fight for Britain" generally mean tacking action or making efforts to defend, support, or advance the interests of Britain, whether in a military, political, social, or cultural context. Historically, it may evoke images of military service during conflicts such as World War II, when British forces and civilians united to resist external threats.

In more contemporary usage, it can also encompass advocating for national values, sovereignty, or addressing various social and economic issues facing the country. The exact meaning can vary depending on the context in which it is used, including political discourse, campaigns, or discussions about patriotism and national identity.

Now do tell me who exactly doesn't know that?

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fancythat

Is it Starmer that wants to get rid of Latin, and British history?

Yes.
I think he also called visits to museums and art galleries in the curriculum, highbrow pursuits and called to get rid of them too.
Silly use of vocabulary.

Good heavens! Did he really say that ? I don’t believe it. Do you have a source?

fancythat

Is it Starmer that wants to get rid of Latin, and British history?

Yes.
I think he also called visits to museums and art galleries in the curriculum, highbrow pursuits and called to get rid of them too.
Silly use of vocabulary.

Is it Starmer that wants to get rid of Latin, and British history?

^ Think the best thing Starmer could do at some point is have a reshuffle and get rid of Rachel Reeves.^

Sadly, I don’t think that would make any significant difference to the way the economy is being run. Most people have just the same belief that a national economy should be run in the same way as a household or business and that the rich are going to save us.

Something else.. Politicians always say people want change.
Not sure that's true. Think people on the whole want some improvement but not dramatic change.
Think we want stability and steady growth.
Think the best thing Starmer could do at some point is have a reshuffle and get rid of Rachel Reeves.

“Quite often, it is not what is said, but how it is said and I think it is quite possible for politicians to indicate which direction policy will go after an election, without losing support.”

The classic is Johnson’s election landslide, say what most voters want to hear and they will vote for you, at best it was unrealistic, some of it blatant lies. Starmers election policies were different “soak the rich” and nothing about the extra ordinary voters were going to pay.

I remember a really racist one around in the 1960s which I won’t repeat. It involved a ‘neighbour’ and ‘vote Labour’ It was awful and made all the people I was friends with vote Labour because of it, so it really backfired on them.

David49

If polititians told the truth they would never get elected, the changes that need to be made in the UK are very unpalatable, revealing them before an election could be fatal. After the GE we had the begining of changes planned with WFA etc, there will be much more to come.

Quite often, it is not what is said, but how it is said and I think it is quite possible for politicians to indicate which direction policy will go after an election, without losing support.

Lets face it, that is how we make decisions to vote, we listen to the alternative scenarios and policies put forward by the different partys and decide which is the best one to support.

On WFA, its abolition was clearly an unplanned knee jerk reaction to a situation that was worse than expected, inadequately thought through and badly applied.

That this was a policy badly planned and badly applied is evidence by the considerable unease expressed by many better off pensioners for many years, on GN, including myself, and on other media outlets about receiving WFA, and quite a number said that when they received it they immediately donated it to an appropriate charity.

This policy could have been a resounding success, if its application had been carefully thought through and its application been more sensitive. Obviously political parties do not announce in advance that they are not capable of organising the proverbial in a pub, but that is because they never seem to realise this.

Don’t forget the message on ‘the bus’

If polititians told the truth they would never get elected, the changes that need to be made in the UK are very unpalatable, revealing them before an election could be fatal. After the GE we had the begining of changes planned with WFA etc, there will be much more to come.

Sounds about right M0nica and
Notagranyet24

Notagranyet24

M0nica
“These days anything any politician anywhere says something, is all smoke and mirrors and is totally meaningless.”

“Their every casual remark has been pored over by political aides in the press office for months, to make sure it promises nothing, commits them to nothing and is total anodyne.”

You're so right M0nica but they must feel they have to do it, are probably told to by the PR people.
I think British politics has become such a sad, conflict-bound arena, no one listens to anyone else anymore, debate has vanished, it's all about scoring cheap points.

I think we listened to so much nonsense from past prime ministers that now our first instinct is to either not listen or just laugh. This applies to Kemi Badenoch and Nigel Farage too. I wonder when Starmer will realise that his speeches need to sound as if he at least believes in them?

AGAA4

At least Starmer hasn't said he will make Britain great again. Not yet anyway.

Well, he did say that but using slightly different phraseology

"The prime minister, meanwhile, said in his message that his government would “fight” to rebuild Britain and rediscover “the great nation that we are”."

He's going to find it rather than make it.
Seek and ye shall find 🤞

Has Starmer promised to build up Hadrian’s Wall yet?

We should all wear Make Britain Great Again hats 🧢😁

AGAA4

At least Starmer hasn't said he will make Britain great again. Not yet anyway.

That’s because he won’t and can’t.

Boris was a one for meaningless phrases but Keir isn’t far behind so far.🤬

we shall fight them on the beaches!..

First there gets the best deckchairs.

valdali

Most patronising message ever has to be "New Labour New Danger" with a doctored photo of Tony Blair with demonic red eyes.
While ago now.

Do you remember that huge poster with a long line of people depicted on it:
"Labour Isn't Working"

It must have been many years ago because DS was in a push chair!