The Guardian brands Elon Musk "Worlds Richest Pub Bore"

growstuff

So do you have evidence that central government interfered?

So why weren’t the sub postmasters paid out years ago

And if you don't mean that, then what are you implying in your post at 12:30:59? It sounds very much as if you are implying that there WAS endorsement from above encouraging the LAs to fail to act while holding information that would justify them in arresting people on these charges? If you are in possession of anything at all which would back an accusation like that, it is your duty to report it.

Machiavelli is alive and well in reincarnation, and doing well at stirring up suspicion and discontent.

If all David can come up with is deflections about the PO scandal I don't think he actually has any evidence of government suppression in connection with grooming gangs.

Reading list for David and anyone else who thinks "There ought to be an enquiry" or suspects that there was interference from the highest level to cover up.

www.iicsa.org.uk/

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-61863603

Thanks Elegran. Sadly I suspect David and others who share his conspiracy theories won’t be influenced

From another thread -
" Wyllow3 Tue 07-Jan-25 12:06:27
Under legislation announced by Yvette Cooper for a bill in the spring (amongst other measures) professionals who work with children will face criminal sanctions if they fail to report claims of child sexual abuse.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/06/yvette-cooper-says-she-will-force-professionals-to-report-child-sexual-abuse-claims "

David49

There has been a national enquiry in to child sex abuse in general, which seems to have been a waste of time because 10 yrs on none of the recommendations have been implemented.

It didn’t focus on Rotherham, the police and social services knew full well what was happening but decided nothing needed to be done, did the DPP decide that it was not in the public interest not to prosecute.

But there was an inquiry, which focussed on Rotherham.

David49, please research this properly. Your posting untruths

There was a very interesting interview on the World at One , on R4 with the lead on child abuse on the National Police Chief's Council.

He gave some really interesting statistics. Organised sex abuse where children are deliberatly targetted by groups, usually of men, accounts for only 3% of all abuse and within that 3%, the majority of the abause is perpetrated within the family, with groups of male relatives systematically abusing femals.

he also said that 52% of all reported sex abuse involving children is between children and I would imagine was consensual sex betwenntwo sub -16 year olds.

I think the prey we have targetted are the wrong ones, no matter how heinous their behaviour.

I am a bit wary of that info, the IICSA are stating they dont know the prevalence of child sex abuse by groups of men or who is doing it. Without sounding like a crazed conspiracy theorist I am very wary of the police standpoint on this issue.

I’m not demonizing Starmer I’m doing no more than the BBC

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgn2wvxx5qo

Starmer has responding to Musks claims and has asked for them to be verified

I haven’t suggested yiur deminus8hgcStarmer. I’m concerned you’re posting mis information

MaizieD

If all David can come up with is deflections about the PO scandal I don't think he actually has any evidence of government suppression in connection with grooming gangs.

Not a deflection an example of how governments do interfere with investigations and their implementation.

Iam64

I haven’t suggested yiur deminus8hgcStarmer. I’m concerned you’re posting mis information

Nowhere did I post any accusations I asked questions, some posts answered some of those questions.

Maybe you could point to any accusation

David49

Iam64

I haven’t suggested yiur deminus8hgcStarmer. I’m concerned you’re posting mis information

Nowhere did I post any accusations I asked questions, some posts answered some of those questions.

Maybe you could point to any accusation

But you have posted misinformation David - about their not being relevant inquiries.

David, the article doesn't say what you said it does.

Elegran

From another thread -
" Wyllow3 Tue 07-Jan-25 12:06:27
Under legislation announced by Yvette Cooper for a bill in the spring (amongst other measures) professionals who work with children will face criminal sanctions if they fail to report claims of child sexual abuse.
^www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/06/yvette-cooper-says-she-will-force-professionals-to-report-child-sexual-abuse-claims "^

this is the full text

Yvette Cooper last night announced these measures

Professionals who work with children will face criminal sanctions if they fail to report claims of child sexual abuse under a law to be introduced this year, Yvette Cooper has told MPs

The home secretary has promised to implement a key demand from Prof Alexis Jay’s child sexual abuse inquiry after Keir Starmer turned down demands from Elon Musk and Kemi Badenoch for a new investigation into paedophile gangs

The introduction of mandatory reporting in England would be included in the crime and policing bill expected to be introduced to parliament in the spring, Cooper told parliament.

The bill will also Introduce a victims and survivors panel to oversee reforms as follow:.

Make grooming an aggravating factor in child sexual offences

Introduce a victims and survivors panel to oversee reforms

Establish a core dataset for child abuse and protection

Similar plans for a mandatory reporting obligation on professionals were supposed to be introduced last year as part of Rishi Sunak’s criminal justice bill, but campaigners and lawyers heavily criticised them for being “watered down” - they did not include criminal sanctions for professionals who fail to report claims of child sexual abuse.

How about we concentrate on discussing the measures proposed in Yvette Cooper's Bill, which look more constructive than Musk's DEstructive attacks? It is obvious that planning and discussions have been going on to implement what was in the 2022 report in the original query, instead of starting on another - which would not be completed for several years and delay constructive legislation on the subject.

"2022 report ON the original query" or possible OF it, but not IN it. (Putting the I and O side by side on the keyboard is not helpful to those of us with geriatric eyes)

Thank you, Wyllow3 A look at the source text is always welcome in the midst of conjecture, misinformation, and uninformed prejudice.

I’ve been hopeful since the election, that the promises to focus on protecting women and girls/children would be upheld. I’ve just seen Jess Phillips on ch4 talking about the frequent meetings to discuss eg the implementation of the Jay report.

Wyllow3 I've copied and pasted your link to another piece of source text.
mcb.org.uk/mcb-we-need-truth-and-action-against-child-sexual-abuse-gangs-not-a-racist-witch-hunt/

"Muslim Council of Britain will support yet another investigation into the grooming scandal if proponents can explain why previous inquiries costing millions have not given them the answer they are looking for

Key Points
The Muslim Council of Britain calls for:
•⁠ ⁠Implementation of existing inquiry recommendations
•⁠ ⁠Support for local authorities in conducting thorough investigations, with support for the victims
•⁠ ⁠Proponents of a new inquiry to explain why previous investigations costing millions have not given them the answer they are looking for
•⁠ ⁠MCB also calls for investigation into foreign interference in our democratic discourse and community relations"

Thanks Elegran.