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Shinamae

Do we need a national inquiry into grooming gangs?
As usual, a lively debate going on..

I thought we'd already had one. My understanding is that we need to act on the last inquiry, not have another one.

What was wrong with the national enquiry into grooming gangs that reported in 2023?

Snap Maizie.

Agreed growstuff and maizieD👏👏👏

Inquiry after inquiry. It's the same with every major scandal in this country.
Action is needed on the findings of the last inquiry to make sure that young girls feel able to report such crimes and be listened to and taken seriously. Those who did not do their jobs properly and were responsible for the dreadful ordeal these girls went through should be dealt with accordingly even if that means court cases. Anyone see a correlation here? Hillsborough, Post Office, Infected Blood, Grenfell Tower. All have been done to death with lengthy inquiries but those responsible never get bought to book and the victims are left for years without any answers or compensation. The grooming gangs scandal seems to be going the same way.

Milk spilt on the kitchen floor. I know, let's hold an enquiry into how it happened, who was responsible and discuss what measures can be taken to minimise the possibility of it happening again. Good, lessons have been learnt.

The milk is still all over the floor as everybody was so focussed on the enquiry that nobody thought to clean it up.

The above was given as a simplified example of how inquiries work.

They really need to act on the last one. Heads need to roll. What those girls suffered is truly awful

What was/is wrong is that no action has been taken following the 2022 inquiry. Maggie Oliver, the former Greater Manchester Police detective who helped uncover the abuse said previous inquiries had led no where and she believed it was time for a fresh independent investigation into the grooming.She said 'those leading previous enquiries had always wanted to cover up the truth.'

The desire for an enquiry came from pre-2011-14 survivors from Oldham, whose cases were not covered and who claim there has been a cover-up. The article in the DT by Sam Ashworth Hayes and Charlie Peters includes extracts from Judge Peter Rook's sentencing of a man in 2013 and makes horrifying reading. There is much much more but the DT has a paywall and I cannot reproduce it.
It is truly appalling.

MaizieD

What was wrong with the national enquiry into grooming gangs that reported in 2023?

I think you and others are well aware what's happened since.

Imagine this was a Conservative leader refusing Oldham's request.

You'd be up in arms.

In my opinion there should be a full national inquiry, with the results reported nationally so that we all know properly what has happened.

eazybee

What was/is wrong is that no action has been taken following the 2022 inquiry. Maggie Oliver, the former Greater Manchester Police detective who helped uncover the abuse said previous inquiries had led no where and she believed it was time for a fresh independent investigation into the grooming.She said 'those leading previous enquiries had always wanted to cover up the truth.'

The desire for an enquiry came from pre-2011-14 survivors from Oldham, whose cases were not covered and who claim there has been a cover-up. The article in the DT by Sam Ashworth Hayes and Charlie Peters includes extracts from Judge Peter Rook's sentencing of a man in 2013 and makes horrifying reading. There is much much more but the DT has a paywall and I cannot reproduce it.
It is truly appalling.

Exactly this….👏🏻👏🏻

Louella12

MaizieD

What was wrong with the national enquiry into grooming gangs that reported in 2023?

I think you and others are well aware what's happened since.

Imagine this was a Conservative leader refusing Oldham's request.

You'd be up in arms.

But a Conservative government was in power when the results of the last inquiry were published. What action did it take then? Sorry, but I really don't understand why another inquiry is needed at this stage.

I agree growstuff. We’ve had numerous inquiries. We need the recommendations followed, not more millions spent to be told the same issues and recommendations
It’s pure political cynical point scoring for the tories to demand a national inquiry - we’ve had that let’s implement its recommendations. Spend the money on that

Sarnia

Inquiry after inquiry. It's the same with every major scandal in this country.
Action is needed on the findings of the last inquiry to make sure that young girls feel able to report such crimes and be listened to and taken seriously. Those who did not do their jobs properly and were responsible for the dreadful ordeal these girls went through should be dealt with accordingly even if that means court cases. Anyone see a correlation here? Hillsborough, Post Office, Infected Blood, Grenfell Tower. All have been done to death with lengthy inquiries but those responsible never get bought to book and the victims are left for years without any answers or compensation. The grooming gangs scandal seems to be going the same way.

👏👏👏👏👏

Iam64

I agree growstuff. We’ve had numerous inquiries. We need the recommendations followed, not more millions spent to be told the same issues and recommendations
It’s pure political cynical point scoring for the tories to demand a national inquiry - we’ve had that let’s implement its recommendations. Spend the money on that

Yes, yes. 👏👏

On BlueSky, Victoria Derbyshire has produced a non-exhaustive list of inquiries into Child Sexual Abuse
in last 12 yrs…

"‪Victoria Derbyshire‬ ‪@vicderbyshire.bsky.social‬
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ROCHDALE 2013
Serious case review highlighted failures by 17 agencies who were meant to protect kids

GTR MANCHESTER 2020 - Manc-wide Independent Review commissioned by Mayor Andy Burnham (Part 1)

OLDHAM 2022 – Burnham review (Part 2)

ROCHDALE 2024 - Burnham review (Part 3)
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ROTHERHAM 2014 - independent inquiry into child sexual exploitation by Alexis Jay which covered CSE in the town 1997-2013

ROTHERHAM 2015 - Louise Casey looked at whether Rotherham Coucil was ‘fit for purpose’ given their abdication of responsibility for vulnerable kids
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TELFORD Jul 2022

UK-WIDE Child Sexual Exploitation - Home Affairs Select Committee June 2013"

Why on earth do we need yet another inquiry?

And when did GB News become the public voice of Elon Musk and Reform?

These vile grooming gangs could have been closed down if the authorities and the police had done their jobs properly. I read one of the inquiries which established there was an element of racism amongst the police forces which led them to negatively view, and ignore, girls who fraternised with Asian men. Girls who reported abuse at police stations were seen as a nuisance by police officers and even social workers spoke of girls making a "lifestyle choice" . This was when it was clear that many girls were under age and, even when at the age of consent, were being subjected to serious acts of violence.

The reports all reached conclusions and made recommendations as to how the authorities could prevent such atrocities from recurring. So another report is not needed - what is needed is proper oversight and immediate action so that it is absolutely clear that physical and psychological violence against girls and women will be severely punished.

Iam64

I agree growstuff. We’ve had numerous inquiries. We need the recommendations followed, not more millions spent to be told the same issues and recommendations
It’s pure political cynical point scoring for the tories to demand a national inquiry - we’ve had that let’s implement its recommendations. Spend the money on that

Badenoch has jumped on the bandwagon, but I'm not sure it was the Tories who instigated the point scoring, especially as Elon Musk has called Jess Phillips a "rape genocide apologist". This is dangerous - it only takes one lunatic lone wolf to take action - two British MPs have already been murdered. Farage has defended Musk's comments.

Farage would defend Musk, he agrees with him

Anniebach

Farage would defend Musk, he agrees with him

Exactly!

The problem now is that there are not enough lawyers to speed up the processing of sex assault cases, as reported in the Guardian online yesterday. This shortage should not be attributed to Labour as they have only just come in to power.

GB News will use any clickbait to improve its viewing figures.

The trouble with major inquiries is that they always seem to cost billions in legal fees.

Badenoch in the Daily Mail.

the inquiry I want to see should start by considering the likely racial or religious motivation of these crimes