A Note to Elon Musk

We should talk about it of course. Its how. And to what end.

But if people are saying dont talk about it that is every red flag in the book.

Whitewavemark2

To:
@elonmusk

From: 80% of UK citizens
Subject: The UK Government

I fear you are ignorant of the constitutional workings of the UK. The following facts may not be to your liking but they are facts nonetheless and no amount of disinformation posted by you and other US and UK citizens on this platform who are uninformed as to how things work in our little group of islands on this side of the pond will change that reality.

1. In July 2024, the UK held a general election the result of which was an overwhelming victory for the Labour party.
2. As leader of the party that had secured a majority of seats in the House of Commons, Keir Starmer was invited by the King to form a government. Starmer accepted the King's invitation. In the UK, that is the only mechanism by which one can become Prime Minister; one does not 'run' for the position (Andrew Tate take note).
3. As of today, the Labour government has an effective working majority of 165 votes in the House of Commons.
4. A new general election may only be called as a result of the Monarch's agreement to such a request by the sitting Prime Minister, or as a result of the government losing a vote of no confidence in the House of Commons. Neither case is remotely likely to occur.
5. Any idea you may have of whipping up mass #FarageRiots amongst the ignorant and unschooled who follow you will not work; unlike your Executive, ours is not subject to a Posse Comitatus Act and should it really becme necessary, our military may be used to restore order.
6. Despite the beliefs of said unschooled ignoramuses mentioned above, King Charles III is a constitutional monarch who may act only with the consent of the Prime Minister. He cannot dissolve Parliament, he cannot call a general election, he cannot, to use your terminology, 'fire' any elected official.
7. Despite the beliefs of the above mentioned uneducated, Magna Carta is no longer in force in the UK - we have moved on and thankfully we now have the Human Rights Act passed by the Blair government in 1998 that gives legal effect to the ECHR, drafted by British Lawyers in the early 1950s.
8. The majority of US citizens, even some republicans, understand that they have not elected you to any office whatsoever and they are quite concerned by your meglomania.

I hope this helps - it's always best to have a good and detailed understanding of any country with which you intend to interfere - if only the US had learned that before they invaded Iraq and found no weapons of mass detruction and no evidence of Iraqi involvement in the 9/11 attrocity. Surely the US did not invade just for the oil?

I suggest you have a cup of tea, a slice of fruit cake and calm down.

Pip pip!

ft.com/content

Excellent stuff.

Facts are important not suppositions

That’s right FGT.

Yet you appear to ignore the fact that many victims are currently being re-traumatised.

I am not sure how I feel about an inquiry, I think there will be one though.

What do you hope to get out of an inquiry of the sort mentioned, for people who are being groomed today FGT ? (and others)

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Or Iam you could just as easily say “many victim survivors want a further inquiry, some don’t because of triggering”.

Numbers count. Facts are important not suppositions.

I get what you are saying but another inquiry will take years, put victims through yet more trauma, and the recommendations are unlikely to be that different to the present recommendations, which need to be acted upon as of yesterday in order to hopefully prevent more children becoming victims of grooming.

Wyllow3

This "white on white" sexual abuse enquiry took 6 years to complete, and its a fairly recent one (ie procedures were known and followed but despite that it takes that long)

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/05/twenty-one-convicted-in-west-midlands-child-sexual-abuse-inquiry

"Responding to the Walsall case in light of her comments, Craig Guildford, the chief constable of West Midlands police, said: “It is important to remain open-minded about who can commit these offences. They know no social or religious boundaries and it is important to remind the public and professionals to report their concerns to the police, regardless.”

Amazingly well written.

Thank you for posting White Wave Mark 2 ..

👏👏👏

Grandmabatty

Hear hear! I don't think we are alone. Germany and France are very unhappy with Musk interfering

Phenomenally written statement of facts ..

This arse believes his money could purchase whatever he so desires, HE IS BELIGERENT and on his whims are unthought out and highly dangerous.

He is a total egomaniac and a danger to the peaceful relationships between the Usa and all other countries.

I think it is essential that local police forces have close links with all communities and their leaders but also that social services work closely with both and aren’t seen as the bad guys. I also think schools can play a big part with a safe space inside every school where children can go to talk to a counsellor about what is troubling them.
But we need funding to do this.
And society needs to alter its perception that women and children are prone to make false testimonies.
We need to start listening to the victims more and protecting the perps less.

And you are quite right to point out as you did above how easy it is and was to hide abuse and has always been whatever the community.

Or Iam you could just as easily say “many victim survivors want a further inquiry, some don’t because of triggering”.

Numbers count. Facts are important not suppositions.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

And yet … no one is saying “Don't you hate all these Jewish grooming gangs, and Hindu terrorist attacks, and Christian hate marches....”

Yes I get a few individuals from any sect can go rogue, but these Pakistani gangs were endemic in their atrocities. Let’s stop shying away from stating the bluddy obvious here. These were men in groups who gathered together to do the unspeakable. What I have read in their Court transcripts sickens me.

But no one disagrees that those men did do that FGT nor condones it.

What would be the point of any inquiry if it only looked at 20% of the problem?

Erm .. because it’s still going on today? It’s not gone away. And 20% of any problem is a sizeable number isn’t it?

(Almost as high as Starmer’s majority at the G.E. 😂).

LizzieDrip

^Some people are still more concerned about hurting the feelings of rapists^

Kandinsky what people? I haven’t heard this POV from anyone.

Thanks Galaxy - we feminists have been raising this for years. It’s interesting how often posts in here say ‘that doesn’t mean all men are rapists’ - as if anyone had said that. The grooming rape torture gangs being discussed here don’t mean every man of Muslim Pakistani heritage is a rapist. Nazir Afzal did more to change the investigative approach than many others and he’s of similar background

I’ve seen no one ‘defending these rapists’ as Kadinsky suggested earlier.
Yes some victim survivors want a further inquiry, many don’t, the don’t want re traumatised the want Jay implemented

Certainly any reluctance to prosecute on the basis of fear of being labelled "Racist" was wrong when it occurred, and it was on a large scale,

But whats wrong with what Musk is doing is

convincing us it was come kind of political plot on a large scale and making every effort to link it specifically with Starmer as part of his attacks on him generally

and bombarding the public via x with numbers of actual lies as well as disregarding other groups of abusers.

And yet … no one is saying “Don't you hate all these Jewish grooming gangs, and Hindu terrorist attacks, and Christian hate marches....”

Yes I get a few individuals from any sect can go rogue, but these Pakistani gangs were endemic in their atrocities. Let’s stop shying away from stating the bluddy obvious here. These were men in groups who gathered together to do the unspeakable. What I have read in their Court transcripts sickens me.

Here are some known and prosecuted members of child abuse gangs. Spot the Pakistani...

A huge cover up took place with Savile that lasted decades. And there have been many decades long cover ups in he Catholic Churchs/Anglican church, for which Welby recently had to resign.
None were Pakistani as far as I know.
In targeting one group we are in danger of ignoring and hampering investigations into all child grooming and child abuse.
Indeed it was stated on the news recently that some Asian gangs were known to groom children on the street but that online grooming is predominantly white.
Tbh I don’t see why we need to differentiate, why don’t we just say it is predominantly ‘men’.

This "white on white" sexual abuse enquiry took 6 years to complete, and its a fairly recent one (ie procedures were known and followed but despite that it takes that long)

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/05/twenty-one-convicted-in-west-midlands-child-sexual-abuse-inquiry

"Responding to the Walsall case in light of her comments, Craig Guildford, the chief constable of West Midlands police, said: “It is important to remain open-minded about who can commit these offences. They know no social or religious boundaries and it is important to remind the public and professionals to report their concerns to the police, regardless.”

All areas of sexual abuse continue so we shouldn't be surprised that grooming continues as stated above.
What is different now is that I don't think there are any evidence of ""cover ups" because of race, but I think Musk and friends are perpetrating the ideas that there are.

We really do have to get ahead on the 20 recommendations.

Is it unwillingness, or a substantial shortage of resources?

As regards "cover-ups" I think its more complex than Musk and many people believe

Really, until the late 90's evil sexual crimes from all sections of society often remained unpunished either because the police would not take them up, the burden or proof and the ignorance of how to proceed or down playing the importance of these crimes winning out and the view of male policemen on women

(or in the case of the rich, it was covered up. Look at the lifelong cover up of Cyril Smith's activities or the cover ups in the C of E - Cyril Smith was actually protected under the Official Secrets Act)

Posters are talking dramatically as Musk does about "the truth coming out" and justice because of cover ups,

but what do they think an inquiry would actually find out

I think there are some who believe that an inquiry will somehow reveal some major "Baddies" to prosecute,

but that the reality is far more likely to be - after questioning hundreds of police, social workers, local councillors and more, there will be a mish mash of an original lack of any decent structures or experience in dealing with gangs like this,

a failure to believe victims for non political reasons, the difficulty of "proof", the incredible person-power time to investigate and evidence gather,

the lack back then of proper CPS procedures until introduced,

and those all mixed in with reluctance and slowness for political reasons by possibly many individuals in small ways - slowing matters down, some words in ears, possibly some threats?

This will take hours of time away from work in the present, and I might be entirely wrong, but I dont see it will produce criminal prosecutions?

Correction to my previous post.

It should have read "Musk" not Trump senior who fathered a child with his stepdaughter.

Apologies

I still find it repellent behaviour though, the girl was his stepdaughter from age 4, he married her at 19.

Still think they are a family worth listening to?

Galaxy

Yes there is a specific problem, in the same way there was a specific problem within the catholic church. Nobody worried that victims would think all paedophiles were priests when we discussed that issue extensively.
If the left dont talk about it the right will.

There is a specific problem within the context of a much wider problem. Do you actually think that the specific problem should be tackled in an inquiry in isolation of the wider issues, and what do you think that would achieve Galaxy?

I think you will find that those talking about it in the public eye (if you ignore Musk, etc for a moment) tend to be feminists with extensive experience in discussing violence against women and children
At times they talk about child abuse within the catholic chuch, at times theh talk about how abusive men target schools, at times they talk about this specific issue.