78yr old woman is in prison through no fault of hers

Not much a martyr for the cause, is she?

Allira

pascal30

Do none of you think about your grandchildren and climate change.. this woman is being supported by the Quakers because they think what she did was morally correct..

These people are not helping, they are causing anger in other people which will not help their cause.

Are they too dim to realise that?

If the government was taking the issue more seriously there would not be the need to demonstrate.. I've been into Bristol prison with my previous work and believe me it is grim..

This woman obviously felt that she needed to make a point because she did care. She just had a bigger more long term vision.. She also did her sentence and is entitled to be on parole..

The demographic that attracts people to Gransnet is predominantly in line with the right wing establishment.

Well, certainly.
Presumably you accept that right wing beliefs uphold the law, and that people who knowingly break it have to accept the consequences. I would prefer the other prisoners to serve the full term they were given, and I hope they are not being released early so that they escape the full consequences of a prison sentence.
I assume that your presumably left wing beliefs maintain that people should not be punished for knowingly breaking the law.

I can't quite understand why posters think it OK she should stay on in prison when she has a right to have concluded her sentence as others have.

Possibly because poster believe they have the right, upheld by the law, to travel the public highway without being prevented by people protesting their personal beliefs.

pascal30

Allira

pascal30

Do none of you think about your grandchildren and climate change.. this woman is being supported by the Quakers because they think what she did was morally correct..

These people are not helping, they are causing anger in other people which will not help their cause.

Are they too dim to realise that?

If the government was taking the issue more seriously there would not be the need to demonstrate.. I've been into Bristol prison with my previous work and believe me it is grim..

This woman obviously felt that she needed to make a point because she did care. She just had a bigger more long term vision.. She also did her sentence and is entitled to be on parole..

HMP Bristol is a men's prison.
Is she in Eastwood Park?

She also did her sentence and is entitled to be on parole
No, she had not completed her sentence, she was sentenced to 20 months in prison last August, but would have been allowed out in November after 4 months with an electronic tag and curfew.

She was one of the people who climbed a gantry over the M25.

I'm sure that there is more behind this than not having a tag to fit her wrist.

Anyway, it's all marvellous publicity, isn't it.

I can't quite understand why posters think it OK she should stay on in prison when she has a right to have concluded her sentence as others have.

Yes, I believe she has that right but she refused to have a tag fitted to her ankle and it seems curious that no tag could be found to fit her wrist.
Wrist tags are available.

Someone who is released early on licence hasn’t ‘concluded their sentence’. They can be recalled to spend the remainder of their sentence in prison.

Many of us worry about climate change particularly for our grandchildren but I cannot support these protesters who put people's lives in danger.
It may be just an inconvenience for some but for ambulances, fire engines and any medical staff or people who had important hospital appointments it could have been life threatening.

I don't think believing in a cause should put others at risk. They have done untold harm to their cause.

Barleyfields

Someone who is released early on licence hasn’t ‘concluded their sentence’. They can be recalled to spend the remainder of their sentence in prison.

She was being released unusually early on licence too, four months into a 20 month sentence.
I thought a prisoner had to serve half (or slighty less) before being considered for parole.

I agree and am surprised at the involvement and apparent support of the Quakers. Perhaps they are not quite what I thought they were.

Yes you are correct Allira she was in Peterborough and is now in Eastwood Park (equally grim)

Well if the prison is grim she can start a campaign about that when she gets out.

I wonder what is wrong with her legs that means she can't wear a tag but can climb a gantry?

She has deep vein thrombosis.

pascal30

Yes you are correct Allira she was in Peterborough and is now in Eastwood Park (equally grim)

At least thst is nearer home.
Perhaps they are making her a tiny tag as we post.

I’m sure she’ll be receiving medication for it.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I’m sure she’ll be receiving medication for it.

She will probably get better treatment from the prison doctor than hanging on the phone trying to get through for a GP appointment.
"You are Number Fifteen in the queue"
"The GP can see you in six weeks' time"

I'm not sure who I feel more sorry for, the man who missed his father's funeral or the man who missed the birth of his baby, both caused by her protest. Of course there is also the 79 year old mother at the funeral probably hoping for the support of her son and the other mother who maybe would have liked the father of her baby to be present at the birth to support her.

Actually the woman who was responsible for that doesn't rate very highly in my sympathy list.

I'm a woman the same age as her. I (mostly) know what is legal and what isn't. Even if I did commit a crime (highly unlikely though that would be), I'd have to face the consequences just like any other criminal. I've been a feminist since I was old enough to think for myself and I'm sick of people getting outraged when a woman does something wrong and imply that she shouldn't have to take responsibility for her own actions. Women have fought for many decades for the right to be considered equal to men and to be treated in the same ways as them. I don't see a valid argument for making exceptions because (a) she's female and (b) she's old(ish). Just don't see it.

Wyllow3

She has deep vein thrombosis.

Would a tag be a problem? A tag would have to be tight enough to stop it being pulled over the foot but it wouldn't be tight enough to restrict blood flow.

NonGrannyMoll

I'm a woman the same age as her. I (mostly) know what is legal and what isn't. Even if I did commit a crime (highly unlikely though that would be), I'd have to face the consequences just like any other criminal. I've been a feminist since I was old enough to think for myself and I'm sick of people getting outraged when a woman does something wrong and imply that she shouldn't have to take responsibility for her own actions. Women have fought for many decades for the right to be considered equal to men and to be treated in the same ways as them. I don't see a valid argument for making exceptions because (a) she's female and (b) she's old(ish). Just don't see it.

Hear hear.

theworriedwell

Wyllow3

She has deep vein thrombosis.

Would a tag be a problem? A tag would have to be tight enough to stop it being pulled over the foot but it wouldn't be tight enough to restrict blood flow.

I don't know, just giving information.

Apologies is this sounds flippant but the circumference of my ankle is the same as the circumference of my upper arm just above the elbow. That would seem a more practical place to tag someone than the wrist. I am finding it hard to believe there wasn't a size of tag that could have been fitted.

Well said worriedwell and NonGrannyMoll

I do understand the motives behind her actions and it is something we are all rightly concerned about.

However, disrupting other people's lives, throwing paint over priceless relics etc really is counter-productive.

The consequences of these actions are that the people responsible draw attention to themselves rather than to their cause.

Wyllow3

theworriedwell

Wyllow3

She has deep vein thrombosis.

Would a tag be a problem? A tag would have to be tight enough to stop it being pulled over the foot but it wouldn't be tight enough to restrict blood flow.

I don't know, just giving information.

You're supposed to wear pressure stockings if you have DVT.

A tag should be fitted correctly so that it is neither loose nor too tight.

Sorry to come across as hard but I feel no sympathy.

Allira

Wyllow3

theworriedwell

Wyllow3

She has deep vein thrombosis.

Would a tag be a problem? A tag would have to be tight enough to stop it being pulled over the foot but it wouldn't be tight enough to restrict blood flow.

I don't know, just giving information.

You're supposed to wear pressure stockings if you have DVT.

A tag should be fitted correctly so that it is neither loose nor too tight.

So I suppose the issue is she couldn't get the stockings on. Tough then really, she can't comply so she can't serve her sentence at home.