78yr old woman is in prison through no fault of hers

theworriedwell

Allira

Wyllow3

theworriedwell

Wyllow3

She has deep vein thrombosis.

Would a tag be a problem? A tag would have to be tight enough to stop it being pulled over the foot but it wouldn't be tight enough to restrict blood flow.

I don't know, just giving information.

You're supposed to wear pressure stockings if you have DVT.

A tag should be fitted correctly so that it is neither loose nor too tight.

So I suppose the issue is she couldn't get the stockings on. Tough then really, she can't comply so she can't serve her sentence at home.

So I suppose the issue is she couldn't get the stockings on

With great difficulty!

I have grandchildren and I also am concerned about climate change but climbing a gantry (I thought she had a DVT!!?) isn't going to make a blind bit of difference, not when Trump is going to "drill baby, drill" and China and India continue to pollute the atmosphere. Does anybody in Just Oil stop and ask themselves what those of us in rural areas will do if they have their pointless way?? We have no gas, it's never going to happen where I and many other people live so yes, we have an oil tank that fuels our boiler!! Perhaps Just Stop Oil and the Quakers would like to cough up the money for us all to have electric boilers or ground source heat pumps ?? When people can't get an ambulance, go to a funeral, get to work then yes, imprison the lot of them and find a company to make tiny tags to fit.

She broke the law. Despite claiming she was being treated for various medical conditions, she was apparently fit enough to stage a protest and disrupt people trying to get to work and hospitals.

Caleo

The protest and moral support for this elderly prisoner is being led by Quakers .

Does this fact alone not tell you to support her!

You are punitive should be ashamed of yourselves.

She is a Quaker. Why would Quaker support for her influence anyone one way or another. Forcing your opinion on others and telling them to be ashamed if they don't agree with you speaks volumes about your peverse self righteousness.

pascal30

Do none of you think about your grandchildren and climate change.. this woman is being supported by the Quakers because they think what she did was morally correct..

Yes, we do, which is why I and others support every practical move to reduce the use of fossil fuels and encourage the development of alternatives.

But what has what this lady did got to do with dealing with climate change. Everybody knows about it so what she did was pointless and irrelevant and probably led to an increased consumption of the fuels she claims she wants to cut. More virute signalling than practical action.

Caleo

Wyllow, it's surely easy to understand why "why posters think it OK she should stay on in prison when she has a right to have concluded her sentence as others have."

The demographic that attracts people to Gransnet is predominantly in line with the right wing establishment.

A statistical association between two variables merely implies that knowing the value of one variable provides information about the value of the other. It does not necessarily imply that one causes the other. Hence the mantra: “association is not causation.

How anyone who has been quite a long term and reasonable member of GN could expect to make such a remark and get away with such nonsense is really surprising.

I would say the political middle point of those on GN, based on waht is posted, was slightly left of centre with the full range of political opions from Reform to far left present.

Caleo

Damask, generally I'd agree with you on both your points.
However, prisons are too harsh to cope with elderly disabilities.No elderly person with the disabilities of age should go to prisons such as prisons actually are. Prison reform is urgently needed.

Also, the woman was imprisoned solely because the stop oil campaign is anti-establishment. This case was terrorism on the part of the establishment.

What disability does she have? Her crime was to climb onto an overhead motorway gantry on the M25 causing traffic (and ambulances) to come to a stop and to force police climbing teams to risk their lives to get her down.

A bit late to play the "little old lady" card.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-67215367

M0nica

Caleo

Wyllow, it's surely easy to understand why "why posters think it OK she should stay on in prison when she has a right to have concluded her sentence as others have."

The demographic that attracts people to Gransnet is predominantly in line with the right wing establishment.

A statistical association between two variables merely implies that knowing the value of one variable provides information about the value of the other. It does not necessarily imply that one causes the other. Hence the mantra: “association is not causation.

How anyone who has been quite a long term and reasonable member of GN could expect to make such a remark and get away with such nonsense is really surprising.

I would say the political middle point of those on GN, based on waht is posted, was slightly left of centre with the full range of political opions from Reform to far left present.

No need to call it nonsense.. it is another point of view..

I can't quite believe the strength of feeling and anger on this, so far 4 page, thread, against this one person who happens to be a 77 yr old woman.

What's the matter with you all?
Why so much unkindness?

You'd probably be braying for the worst punishment for the Suffragettes, if you had happened to be around 100 years ago.

Nothing the matter with me.

I'm not being remotely unkind.

I just find the actions of these protesters hugely annoying. And I'm always pleased if they get prison sentences.

At 77 old enough to know what she was doing,

M0nica

pascal30

Do none of you think about your grandchildren and climate change.. this woman is being supported by the Quakers because they think what she did was morally correct..

Yes, we do, which is why I and others support every practical move to reduce the use of fossil fuels and encourage the development of alternatives.

But what has what this lady did got to do with dealing with climate change. Everybody knows about it so what she did was pointless and irrelevant and probably led to an increased consumption of the fuels she claims she wants to cut. More virute signalling than practical action.

Hear hear, M0nica

Because we think someone who caused such disruption to the lives of others should complete the sentence handed down to her, whether that be in prison or out on licence with a tag does not make us climate change deniers.
Nor does it mean we are not concerned about the future of the planet and all humankind, not just our own families.

However, perhaps the Stop Oil protestors and Quakers should travel to China, India, USA (by the least polluting means possible) and protest in those countries.

78yr old woman is in prison through no fault of hers

That is a very misleading heading.

Treatment for a DVT isn’t usually pressure stockings, they’re preventative on long flights etc. Blood thinners are prescribed, so I don’t really understand the issue.

Jaxjacky

Treatment for a DVT isn’t usually pressure stockings, they’re preventative on long flights etc. Blood thinners are prescribed, so I don’t really understand the issue.

My mother was prescribed pressure stockings for thrombosis. She always wore one.

Perhaps the medical advice has changed recently.

Grammaretto

I can't quite believe the strength of feeling and anger on this, so far 4 page, thread, against this one person who happens to be a 77 yr old woman.

What's the matter with you all?
Why so much unkindness?

You'd probably be braying for the worst punishment for the Suffragettes, if you had happened to be around 100 years ago.

She set out to be a martyr for her cause, maybe she doesn't like it now she knows what it is like. Actions have consequences.

Actually I think the suffragettes are overrated. I think the peaceful suffragists were more to be admired. In the end I think the first world war did more to secure votes for women than either group. I would expect Ms Delap to disapprove of the violent actions of the suffragettes as she is a Quaker according to what I've read. After the work women did during the war it was impossible to ignore them.

I wouldn't be braying for anything though, I'm not a donkey and it seems an unpleasant accusation to make against people who simply don't agree with you.

Allira

Jaxjacky

Treatment for a DVT isn’t usually pressure stockings, they’re preventative on long flights etc. Blood thinners are prescribed, so I don’t really understand the issue.

My mother was prescribed pressure stockings for thrombosis. She always wore one.

Perhaps the medical advice has changed recently.

Maybe it is one of those changeable things. My husband used to have to qualify in first aid as a police officer. He always used to say, "is this the year we apply a tourniquet or do we let them bleed to death." He swore it changed every time he did a course. I don't think they actually suggested you let people bleed to death, that was more his take on the advice.

What is the point of putting this woman in prison? They are over crowded, it will be expensive. and I don’t believe most women or society benefits from them being incarcerated anyway.

Farzanah

What is the point of putting this woman in prison? They are over crowded, it will be expensive. and I don’t believe most women or society benefits from them being incarcerated anyway.

She was in prison, then allowed out on early release, she hasn't just been put in prison.

She has been returned because she did not comply with the conditions of early release.
She has at least another 15 months of her sentence to complete one way or another.

Farzanah

What is the point of putting this woman in prison? They are over crowded, it will be expensive. and I don’t believe most women or society benefits from them being incarcerated anyway.

I'm not sure that women's prisons are overcrowded.

Anybody that blocked motorways and roads which stopped people going to work, hospital, funerals holidays, school and other appointments should all face jail. It was ridiculous that they were allowed to do this.

My husband used to have to qualify in first aid as a police officer. He always used to say, "is this the year we apply a tourniquet or do we let them bleed to death." He swore it changed every time he did a course.

Same here with our childminding first aid courses!
The most confusing one was when a certain rule was being changed a month after the course.
"I've got to teach you this way, but next month it'll be a different way so you might want to bear that in mind..." 😵‍💫

What is the point of putting this woman in prison? They are over crowded, it will be expensive. and I don’t believe most women or society benefits from them being incarcerated anyway.

It is called Punishment: commonly the imposition of an undesirable or unpleasant outcome upon an individual or group, meted out by an authority, as a deterrent to a particular action or behavior that is deemed undesirable.

Most men and society do not benefit from going to prison, but we still imprison them.

This woman is an older, well educated, and stable woman who quite consciously decided to break the law to push a cause that she supported. She consciously and knowingly broke the law knowing what the consequences would be.

I an think of no one more suitable for the punishment she was justly sent down for.