Why do you support Labour?

LizzieDrip

I support Labour because:

They have a commitment to social justice - a belief that all citizens should be able to reach their potential, no matter what their background.

They have a commitment to public services for the benefit of all in society e.g. the NHS free at the point of need; a good education system for all; a properly functioning justice system.

They have a commitment to address the climate emergency the world is facing.

They have shown some commitment to re-distribution of wealth e.g. means testing the WFA; removing the tax break for private schools; revising the unequal inheritance tax enjoyed be farmers. (I would like them to go even further in the area of wealth distribution). Those with the broadest shoulders should contribute more to society.

They have a commitment to addressing the UK’s housing crisis e.g. revising planning systems; affordable house building.

They have a commitment to break the cycle of gangs exploiting immigrants. They are processing asylum claims in a timely fashion.

They have a commitment to the UK remaining a member of the ECHR.

They want closer trading links with our nearest trading partner - Europe.

The PM and current cabinet are the most working class the UK has ever had. They understand the lived experience of working class people.

The PM particularly has a deep commitment to human rights.

I think that’ll do for now Beeches

Yep, spot on Lizzie, well said.

I also think Labour have a harder time in gov't cos so many of our newspapers are right wing cos they are owned by billionaires.

The person in charge of the BBC was appointed by Boris so jobs in the politics dept tend to go to Tories so BBC news goes heavy on anything that shows Labour in a derogatory way.

I don't mind what sort of Labour we have, whether left wing or otherwise, I prefer the left of the party but I'll take whatever we get.

I think Keir etc needs more time but I do think he's a dull old barrister, when you compare him with Jimmy Carter who smiled all the time Carter wins for charm appeal & I do think that matters, it must be why Farage and Trump have followers, though I can't see it myself.

Labour has been a really good party in the past but this current mob are a disgrace and bring it into disrepute. To the extent that people swing to another unknown party that may or may not be better for them - desperation.

Taking away the WFA

Correction Oreo … means testing the WFA.

The Reform thread was getting very nasty, and I do believe it was set up by the nature O/P.

I was trying to think up a way of saying to Beeches (whom I took to be a new poster, but doubt has been thrown on that),

advice as to please dont do that because it always ends badly (or as the moderators say at the end of such a thread words along the lines of "this was never going to end well".

We get goading anyway and in the end, what does it profit us? It just ruins possible decent discussions. There was a lot of detail on the Reform thread which we've now lost.

ronib

All I want to know is why the party of opportunity has removed opportunity?

What opportunities do you think Latin provides in the twenty-first century ronib?
All I can say is, that it was mildly useful for A level French in 1968.
I guess you can try and show off to the gullible like Boris Johnson does, but proper classicists say he gets quite a lot wrong.
What subjects would you take out of the National Curriculum in order to include it?
What would be its particular use in the workplace?

We aren’t obliged to say how we vote but during coffee at our neighbourhood watch meeting last night, those (about 50%) who were willing to discuss voting had this to say

1. I voted Labour. They sounded good in the run-up to the election even though they’ve been a bit disappointing since. There’s still time.
2. I have always voted Labour even when it was Jeremy Corbyn we would have been electing.

3. My parents always vote Labour so that’s what I do.

4.. I voted Labour to get the Tories out, but then I voted Conservative last time to get Labour out.

5. I voted Green. We have a good Green MP who has done a lot for the local area.

6. I voted LibDem. I always do. I trust them more than either of the two main parties.

7. A couple of very daring members said they voted Conservative. They don’t see KS as being trustworthy and capable of choosing the right people for the job.
Of course their view was supported by all the kerfuffle about Tulip.

Wyllow3

The Reform thread was getting very nasty, and I do believe it was set up by the nature O/P.

I was trying to think up a way of saying to Beeches (whom I took to be a new poster, but doubt has been thrown on that),

advice as to please dont do that because it always ends badly (or as the moderators say at the end of such a thread words along the lines of "this was never going to end well".

We get goading anyway and in the end, what does it profit us? It just ruins possible decent discussions. There was a lot of detail on the Reform thread which we've now lost.

Well not quite, actually.
The moderators said that the thread has now been removed due to the goading tone of it, the OP.In other words it was never going to be a debate really.

LizzieDrip

^Taking away the WFA^

Correction Oreo … means testing the WFA.

Means testing it extremely badly which most people, plus posters on forums plus many institutions all agree on.
A UK estimate is something like 88,000 pensioners just miss out.
It’s silly to agree with everything Labour do in a tribal way, and doesn’t do anyone any good.

Oreo

Indigo8

I have found several threads attacking Labour "goady" and one particularly offensive one is still running.

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Report anything goady and suspicious, if the mods agree it will vanish, if not it won’t.

I think a lot of us are bigger than that. Goady posts show up the poster for who they are, and nobody is obliged to reply in like vein. If there were no goady posts it would be a lot more constructive on here, but also much duller.

LizzieDrip

^I have found several threads attacking Labour "goady" and one particularly offensive one is still running^

My thoughts exactly indigo. It would appear some ‘goady threads’ are more equal than others!

Indeed. And speaking up for Labour is considered blind support, whilst constant sniping is supposedly even-handed criticism if 'balanced' by stating something vague about how the Conservatives made some mistakes in their 14 years in power.

Mamie

ronib

All I want to know is why the party of opportunity has removed opportunity?

What opportunities do you think Latin provides in the twenty-first century ronib?
All I can say is, that it was mildly useful for A level French in 1968.
I guess you can try and show off to the gullible like Boris Johnson does, but proper classicists say he gets quite a lot wrong.
What subjects would you take out of the National Curriculum in order to include it?
What would be its particular use in the workplace?

Latin is a gateway language.

It is widely used in medicine, botany, sciences. It helps with learning other Mediterranean languages and even with the origin of many English words.

State school pupils should not have this option removed, as it will limit their degree choices.

Mamie Latin is very useful in a number of ways - in law Latin is frequently used - Starmer must know this. The two classicists I know have very advanced linguistic ability and can easily pick up new languages. Also the discipline of learning Latin is not confined to only that specific subject but helps in persevering when learning difficult subjects. Oh I forgot we have AI now!!!

LizzieDrip

^I have found several threads attacking Labour "goady" and one particularly offensive one is still running^

My thoughts exactly indigo. It would appear some ‘goady threads’ are more equal than others!

So what are you saying about the moderators? I think they have a very good handle on why threads are started and tone.

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Casdon

Oreo

Indigo8

I have found several threads attacking Labour "goady" and one particularly offensive one is still running.

?
Report anything goady and suspicious, if the mods agree it will vanish, if not it won’t.

I think a lot of us are bigger than that. Goady posts show up the poster for who they are, and nobody is obliged to reply in like vein. If there were no goady posts it would be a lot more constructive on here, but also much duller.

Yet the poster is complaining about ‘offensive’ threads so perhaps should complain where it matters to her.

You consider goading threads and posts exciting?I’d prefer dull and constructive.

It’s silly to agree with everything Labour do in a tribal way, and doesn’t do anyone any good

Rather a ‘goady’ comment IMO Oreo.

If you’re addressing it to me, I don’t agree with everything Labour do in a tribal way - rather insulting.

I happen to agree with Labour’s mean testing of the WFA. That’s my opinion and, as far as I know, am still allowed to my opinion!

ronib

Mamie Latin is very useful in a number of ways - in law Latin is frequently used - Starmer must know this. The two classicists I know have very advanced linguistic ability and can easily pick up new languages. Also the discipline of learning Latin is not confined to only that specific subject but helps in persevering when learning difficult subjects. Oh I forgot we have AI now!!!

Totally agree ronib I missed the law in my summary of Latin and its uses.

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On the subject of learning Latin, it may be useful for some things including understanding a lot of our own language and is def useful for certain jobs but schools generally don’t have the space or time to teach absolutely everything and prefer to teach modern languages which have more relevance for children.

LizzieDrip

^It’s silly to agree with everything Labour do in a tribal way, and doesn’t do anyone any good^

Rather a ‘goady’ comment IMO Oreo.

If you’re addressing it to me, I don’t agree with everything Labour do in a tribal way - rather insulting.

I happen to agree with Labour’s mean testing of the WFA. That’s my opinion and, as far as I know, am still allowed to my opinion!

It was addressed to all Labour voters on here.

And speaking up for Labour is considered blind support, whilst constant sniping is supposedly even-handed criticism if 'balanced' by stating something vague about how the Conservatives made some mistakes in their 14 years in power

Doodledog 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

The voter/member of any political party who can’t bring themselves to disagree with any of the choices and policies put forward is acting in a tribal way, it happens and you see it on many forums.

Latin is useful in many ways. Mr I studied Latin at his boys grammar school. It had no relevance to his successful career but was useful in his crossword addiction.
Oreo makes the relevant point about how much the curriculum can fit in. To be frank, I’d rather see the arts, drama/music/painting drawing sculpting etc retained. There’s so much evidence about the life long contribution to our mental health made by the arts

GrannyGravy13

Mamie

ronib

All I want to know is why the party of opportunity has removed opportunity?

What opportunities do you think Latin provides in the twenty-first century ronib?
All I can say is, that it was mildly useful for A level French in 1968.
I guess you can try and show off to the gullible like Boris Johnson does, but proper classicists say he gets quite a lot wrong.
What subjects would you take out of the National Curriculum in order to include it?
What would be its particular use in the workplace?

Latin is a gateway language.

It is widely used in medicine, botany, sciences. It helps with learning other Mediterranean languages and even with the origin of many English words.

State school pupils should not have this option removed, as it will limit their degree choices.

It really doesn't limit degree choices GG13. It didn't when I went to university, it didn't when my children went to university and it hasn't for my grandchildren, including the one studying medicine. If you study law it doesn't take much to learn sub judice, in loco parentis etc.
Etymologically it is interesting and I loved the poetry of Catullus when I learnt it, but I can honestly say as a fluent French speaker that Latin is of very little help in everyday French; even the medical French that occupies much of my time at the moment.
I think it is fine to study as an extra, but not justified as central to the curriculum. STEM subjects rightly occupy a lot of space now. Which of those would you take out for Latin?

I certainly haven’t noticed any Labour supporter on GN unable to bring themselves to disagree with the choices and policies of their party.

Indeed, just the opposite!