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Why do you support Labour?

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Beeches Wed 15-Jan-25 18:23:53

Can we have some in-depth discussion about what Labour fans like about Labour running the country please? I’m struggling to pinpoint what exactly the pro Labour people want from them, or what they think they’ll benefit from, or is it a general desire for fairness and equality (Long standing Labour ethical principle) and a sense that Labour would make them feel more secure in an increasingly complicated and confusing world? So what is it?!

Oreo Fri 17-Jan-25 09:23:20

Sorry!🤭 sleep deprived, meant nationalised of course.

Oreo Fri 17-Jan-25 09:22:12

Maybe trains too.

Oreo Fri 17-Jan-25 09:21:57

Water and gas and electricity.
And yes, expensive to take them over but a priority in my view.

MaizieD Fri 17-Jan-25 09:17:39

What do you think should be privatised, Oreo?

Oreo Fri 17-Jan-25 09:13:30

Pension credit level def needs to go up, but not pensions all round as you then get the situation claimed by most people that well off and actually wealthy pensioners don’t need it, which was said of the WFA.
I want this government to have vision, not tinker about at the edges.Social care is is a confusing muddle, mental health care virtually non existent and some things would be better privatised.

MayBee70 Fri 17-Jan-25 09:13:11

Iam64

Corbyn won the leadership election because activists supported him as more left wing than his opponents. During that leadership contest, I went to two of the hustings - Corbyn got more applause from the audience. I voted Cooper and Burnham. I’m old enough to have wanted Michael Foot to win the election. I never forgot the lesson I learned then, Britain won’t elect a party with a someone they see as extremist, especially left extremist
The last election was lost by the Conservatives because trust had gone and the devastation of services, especially the NHS was clear to all.
Starmer had shown strong leadership. The LP takes some managing and left leaners still blame the media for fibbing about Corbyn. I continue to support the LP . WFA should always have been means tested. I’d like to see the pension credit level increased but I’d prefer to see pensions increased. Those of us with savings or private/work pensions would pay more tax so fairer all round. I’m ok with the way the government is working, yes it’s not perfect but it’s so much h bettee

Yes. I was a Michael Foot supporter, too. Lovely man. But I learned from it.

love0c Fri 17-Jan-25 09:09:09

To add, you should be rewarded for saving and being responsible for yourself. Not penalised!

love0c Fri 17-Jan-25 09:08:11

Iam64 What!? You save in your working life so you can enjoy a more comfortable retirement. Then you pay more tax because you have savings. And you think this fair????? I most certainly do not!

Iam64 Fri 17-Jan-25 09:02:58

Corbyn won the leadership election because activists supported him as more left wing than his opponents. During that leadership contest, I went to two of the hustings - Corbyn got more applause from the audience. I voted Cooper and Burnham. I’m old enough to have wanted Michael Foot to win the election. I never forgot the lesson I learned then, Britain won’t elect a party with a someone they see as extremist, especially left extremist
The last election was lost by the Conservatives because trust had gone and the devastation of services, especially the NHS was clear to all.
Starmer had shown strong leadership. The LP takes some managing and left leaners still blame the media for fibbing about Corbyn. I continue to support the LP . WFA should always have been means tested. I’d like to see the pension credit level increased but I’d prefer to see pensions increased. Those of us with savings or private/work pensions would pay more tax so fairer all round. I’m ok with the way the government is working, yes it’s not perfect but it’s so much h bettee

GrannyGravy13 Fri 17-Jan-25 08:42:35

The small primary school next door but one to my house definitely has music lessons in breaks and after school as well as on the curriculum, including drumming, keyboards, guitar. I gave GC who attend the school and in the summer months can hear the drumming.

The other primary school in our road also has music lessons including violin, we have GC in that school also (AC attended this one also)

Casdon Fri 17-Jan-25 08:39:04

Mollygo

^Because whether you like Starmer or indeed any PM or not, you are not voting for ‘the man’, are you? You’re voting for the party which is likely to adopt policies which most accord with your own belief system.^

So when people didn’t vote Labour, after Gordon Brown, and when it was Jeremy Corbyn at the head, Labour was unlikely likely to adopt policies which most accord with your own belief system and Conservatives were seen as likely to adopt policies which most accord with your own belief system.

Interesting idea.

People didn’t vote Labour in 2010 because they had been in power for 13 years and they wanted a change, as so often happens. Jeremy Corbyn wasn’t popular because he was a radical, and therefore his plans for government weren’t trusted by the electorate. The leader is important, but not the reason why most people vote for the party they do. It would be pretty dumb to only vote for.a party on that basis, because leaders frequently change during the course of a government anyway.

Mollygo Fri 17-Jan-25 08:35:56

Must have been specific to certain areas MayBee70. We have had peripatetic music teachers for a variety of instruments as long as I have been teaching. The only change has been the instruments on offer, which now include guitars, and keyboards, but no longer French horns.

MayBee70 Fri 17-Jan-25 08:19:07

Mamie

Music has suffered too. When I was an LA inspector during the Blair years, we had an amazing peripatetic music service with projects that included the loaning of instruments and teaching by specialists to entire year groups of primary age children; many of them in areas of deprivation.
All lost by cuts to budgets by Conservative governments.

Leicestershire in particular was renowned at one time for the standard of music teaching in state schools sad

MaizieD Fri 17-Jan-25 07:59:10

Perhaps people who vote Labour are open to the fact that people in other countries may need help and support and don’t grudge it to them. In terms of the UK’s overall annual budget the money given to ‘other countries’ is not excessive.

Though I do understand that with Starmer & Reeves going on and on about what a terrible financial state the UK is in (which it wouldn’t be if they were to be less restrictive in their thinking) why people find this difficult to accept.

Mollygo Fri 17-Jan-25 07:57:11

Because whether you like Starmer or indeed any PM or not, you are not voting for ‘the man’, are you? You’re voting for the party which is likely to adopt policies which most accord with your own belief system.

So when people didn’t vote Labour, after Gordon Brown, and when it was Jeremy Corbyn at the head, Labour was unlikely likely to adopt policies which most accord with your own belief system and Conservatives were seen as likely to adopt policies which most accord with your own belief system.

Interesting idea.

Casdon Fri 17-Jan-25 07:13:52

mum2three

I think it might have been better to ask, 'Why do you support the CURRENT Labour party?'

I'm surprised at some of the responses on here, as I'm sure most voters are bitterly disappointed with what is happening. How can you place your trust in a man who keeps changing his mind about things....who seems more concerned about helping people in other countries rather than his own?

Because whether you like Starmer or indeed any PM or not, you are not voting for ‘the man’, are you? You’re voting for the party which is likely to adopt policies which most accord with your own belief system.

mum2three Fri 17-Jan-25 06:11:35

I think it might have been better to ask, 'Why do you support the CURRENT Labour party?'

I'm surprised at some of the responses on here, as I'm sure most voters are bitterly disappointed with what is happening. How can you place your trust in a man who keeps changing his mind about things....who seems more concerned about helping people in other countries rather than his own?

nanna8 Fri 17-Jan-25 06:05:11

Allsorts

Labour isn't Labour any more. My father, passionate Labour supporter would say he wished he had not bothered. Other lot no better.

Totally ! They are awful. What a shame because in the past it really was a party that seemed to want to help working people. Not much better here, though, I have to admit but not quite so removed from its roots.

Allsorts Fri 17-Jan-25 05:51:54

Labour isn't Labour any more. My father, passionate Labour supporter would say he wished he had not bothered. Other lot no better.

Mamie Fri 17-Jan-25 05:46:23

Music has suffered too. When I was an LA inspector during the Blair years, we had an amazing peripatetic music service with projects that included the loaning of instruments and teaching by specialists to entire year groups of primary age children; many of them in areas of deprivation.
All lost by cuts to budgets by Conservative governments.

Doodledog Fri 17-Jan-25 04:59:14

Yes, and cuts to Arts and Humanities are far wider-reaching than stopping funding Latin. It is vital that all sections of society have a voice in how we absorb our culture. If only those who go to particular schools can get into the few universities still teaching those subjects we will all suffer, as only their world view will be represented.

MayBee70 Fri 17-Jan-25 04:50:26

ronib

NotSpaghetti 48 percent acceptance rate for Classics at Cambridge and the entry requirement is two A stars and one A at A level. Not exactly an open door course is it?
The point is that pupils who were working towards GCSE will now have funding dropped in February. Is this in preparation for a future where the government minutely controls every aspect of life? Who is in control of an individual’s choices? Not the individual.

Well, when I was at the gym a few years ago I spoke to a guy whose Art teacher wife was losing her job because the Conservative government were cutting back funding on subjects like that.

ronib Fri 17-Jan-25 04:16:23

NotSpaghetti 48 percent acceptance rate for Classics at Cambridge and the entry requirement is two A stars and one A at A level. Not exactly an open door course is it?
The point is that pupils who were working towards GCSE will now have funding dropped in February. Is this in preparation for a future where the government minutely controls every aspect of life? Who is in control of an individual’s choices? Not the individual.

MissAdventure Fri 17-Jan-25 01:22:29

I prefer to vote for a party that isn't obsessed with private schooling, because there is a whole lot more to life than that.

I'm hoping (still) that slowly, slowly, everyone will be treated as of equal worth, whether they are old money,new money, or no money.

It's how society should work, as far as I'm concerned, but then never having learnt Latin, I doubt what concerns me is of any interest. smile

Wyllow3 Fri 17-Jan-25 00:59:01

Iam64

I’d like to see higher spend by govt - on all the services left in despair by the previous govt. id pay more tax and I’d like to see the energy companies pay more from obscene profits

Yes.