Shocking news this morning. On the tv and in the papers.

My thoughts were on the OP on why start something inaccurate, divisive and unkind only to complain?

Some sort of attention seeking behaviour with a fairly obvious undertone I guess.

I’m not sure how to square that post with the comment about kicking someone when they’re down. Perhaps bathsalts can enlighten me.

The kicking is a more or less constant attack from the same old same old on displaced people.

It must provide some sort of entertainment or feeling of belonging to the herd I suppose.

The kicking is a more or less constant attack from the same old same old

same old same old what exactly?

Person. Poster.

Allira

^I know Allira, I blame Gransnet for that - maybe no other media has discussed us!^
We're just not as interesting as MN!

I don’t know. Some very trenchant criticism of Angela Rayner’s green trouser suit by Gnetters was repeated in the Observer, IIRC…

bathsalts

Person. Poster.

Ah, I wondered if you meant a certain publication.

Presumably you've been lurking then as you've been looking at threads.
Awful term, isn't it! I'm not at all keen on it.
What could we use instead?
Onlooker? Interested party?

bathsalts

The kicking is a more or less constant attack from the same old same old on displaced people.

It must provide some sort of entertainment or feeling of belonging to the herd I suppose.

No one wants to attack displaced people, but I would be genuinely interested to know how you feel about thousands of irregular migrants flooding into the country, in your opinion should the UK just keep on accepting unlimited numbers, what haplens to already stretched services, schools, etc.I read that the most popular boys name in this country is now Mohammed. Are you genuinely unconcerned about how Muslim countries treat women and how easily it could happen here? I am not being at all confrontational, just really interested in your thoughts about the future of the UK if the irregular migrants keep on coming.

bathsalts

The kicking is a more or less constant attack from the same old same old on displaced people.

It must provide some sort of entertainment or feeling of belonging to the herd I suppose.

Or, it’s genuine dismay at the high level of immigrants living here, mainly in London or the South East who came into the UK on small boats and vanished or overstayed a visa by years and years.
No matter what the numbers exactly, it’s undoubtedly very high.

1.*thousands of irregular migrants flooding into the country*
Rather emotive language
2 I read that the most popular boys name in this country is now Mohammed I wonder what you are infering? This trope takes no account of statistical anomalies.
3 already stretched services, schools stretched by an appalling failure to redistribute wealth.
4.*Are you genuinely unconcerned about how Muslim countries treat women* All so called Muslim countries? All women?
5*how easily it could happen here?* What will happen here? We will all be turned into compliant Muslim women?

bathsalts

1.*thousands of irregular migrants flooding into the country*
Rather emotive language
2 I read that the most popular boys name in this country is now Mohammed I wonder what you are infering? This trope takes no account of statistical anomalies.
3 already stretched services, schools stretched by an appalling failure to redistribute wealth.
4.*Are you genuinely unconcerned about how Muslim countries treat women* All so called Muslim countries? All women?
5*how easily it could happen here?* What will happen here? We will all be turned into compliant Muslim women?

Mohammed was the most popular boys name in the UK in 2024

Olivia has been the most popular girls name for the last eight years.

Posters are always asking for facts, these are facts.

If it is any comfort to the OP, here are the top 20 names for boys and girls registered in Scotland (in 2023, as published in the National Records of Scotland in March '24, so they presumably won't be publishing the 2024 list until March '25 or so).

Muhammed was way down at 11th, though risen from 12th the previous year.

National Records of Scotland (NRS) said there were a record 2,362 names given to only one boy and 2,983 to just one girl in 2023.
Newborn babies (boys) were named Alloy, Banksy, Daemon and Jihad in a record year for unique names in Scotland. These included boys named Boy, Demigod and Howl and girls called Costly, La, Na, Pasty and Wynter-J.

Yes, it's a fact, but what was the inference? The majority of Muslim boys have some form of Mohammed as one of their names, which is why it tops the list. It's still only just over 4,600 babies. About 600,000 babies are born in England and Wales every year, so 0.76% of them were called Mohammed. It's hardly a big deal.

PS. Sorry, Elegran, I only found the stats for England and Wales.

Elegran I suggest you take this up with the BBC

I really do not care what people call their offspring.

Posters are quick to ask for evidence and facts.

I assume the BBC is the an ok source?

Note that these figures do not mean that there are more boys in the classrooms playgrounds and streets of Britain than boys of any other name you pick. It means that more babies were registered with that name in one year than any other single name.
Of 591,072 live births in England and Wales in 2023, 4,661 Muhammeds were registered. That makes one Muhammed in every 127 children. It doesn't mean that there are more Muhammeds filling the classrooms than non-Muhammeds.

GrannyGravy13

Elegran I suggest you take this up with the BBC

Why? The article mentions names in England and Wales. Elegran's post was about Scotland. There's no reason why both aren't correct.

Elegran

Note that these figures do not mean that there are more boys in the classrooms playgrounds and streets of Britain than boys of any other name you pick. It means that more babies were registered with that name in one year than any other single name.
Of 591,072 live births in England and Wales in 2023, 4,661 Muhammeds were registered. That makes one Muhammed in every 127 children. It doesn't mean that there are more Muhammeds filling the classrooms than non-Muhammeds.

Exactly! I think we're both making the same point.

GrannyGravy13

Elegran I suggest you take this up with the BBC

Your photo is of names in England and Wales. The Office of National Statistics does not keep the registration records of Scotland. (Well, maybe they have the figures and statistics somewhere in their massive filing system, but the National Records of Scotland (NRS) keep the official Scottish registers.)

Crossed posts, Growstuff
I also noticed while looking at the sources of the data (cue another plug for the pleasures of going to the root source of a sensational press story) that 2023 showed the lowest number of births since 1977 (569,259). If the general public is worried that too babies are being born to incomers rather than to the "native population", they could redress the balance themselves with a bit of effort.

I think I'm a bit past providing the world with a non-Muhammed (not that it bothers me anyway ). I do have a son-in-law with Muhammed amongst his many birthnames.

GrannyGravy13 Posters are quick to ask for evidence and facts.
That is because people have had enough of non-facts and lack of evidence for confidently proclaimed fake news.

Links to pages with interesting articles as well as statistical data -

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/babynamesenglandandwales/2023

www.nrscotland.gov.uk/publications/babies-first-names-2023/
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/28/scottish-baby-names-list-luca-isla-banksy

This is why I always go to the source. It is usually more interesting and informative than the semi-digested summary in a popular newspaper.

GrannyGravy13

I really do not care what people call their offspring.

Posters are quick to ask for evidence and facts.

I assume the BBC is the an ok source?

There are facts and there are different ways of interpreting them, to 'prove' different political points. I never trust anyone claiming to 'have the facts', but prefer to look at how those 'facts' are being interpreted.

In the days when boys were mostly called John, George, Paul and William, statistical 'charts' would have shown a blip if large numbers were suddenly called Ringo. Now that people call their children Tyrian, Kayden and goodness knows what else as well as the more conventional names, the numbers called any particular name are smaller, so it's easier to get into the top 10. Plus, lots of Muslims use Mohammed as a first name, but call their sons something else, so several in one family can have the name, but are differentiated by second names. It doesn't mean that the name itself (as in something people are called) is the most popular in the UK.