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Shocking news this morning. On the tv and in the papers.

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FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 23-Jan-25 09:11:34

Apparently there are over one million migrants living here in the UK who have no right to be here.

600,000 of them are living in London. Just think about that huge number for a moment.

It equates to TEN football stadiums full to capacity in our capital city.

No wonder we’re broke. It’s dispiriting. Our borders are so leaky it’s not worth pretending any more that we have them.

What do you think about this newly released information?

Barleyfields Sat 01-Feb-25 17:06:37

Can you supply a link to confirm that BevSec?

GrannyGravy13 Sat 01-Feb-25 17:10:24

Barleyfields

Can you supply a link to confirm that BevSec?

A quick Google was informative.

Sweden is experiencing an increase in crime including gun crime, some of which is being attributed to migrants.

LizzieDrip Sat 01-Feb-25 17:15:14

“Some of which is carried out by migrants” so not the hyperbolic nonsense of “mostly carried out by immigrants”!

LizzieDrip Sat 01-Feb-25 17:19:57

“Socioeconomic factors are what mostly constitute the risks of ending up in crime,” not ethnicity, says Felipe Estrada Dörner, a professor of criminology at Stockholm University whose research centres on juvenile delinquency and segregation. “This is a classic and well known pattern, in Sweden and internationally.”

Barleyfields Sat 01-Feb-25 18:06:48

LizzieDrip

“Some of which is carried out by migrants” so not the hyperbolic nonsense of “mostly carried out by immigrants”!

Exactly. There’s a big difference between ‘some’ and ‘mostly’, hence my request for a link.

BevSec Sat 01-Feb-25 18:40:39

I am not sure how to post the link but here
Are some quotes taken from the article in the Daily Mail today

Our country has changed and Swedish girls are not safe or protected from the strangers who have been invited to live amongst them. Its not mostly Swedish faces any more. There are many Arab ones from a different culture.

A Middle
Eastern migrant had raped the 15 year old girlfriend of their younger brother (the boys had hunted down the rapist)

The country that once boasted Europes lowest crime rate is now facing rampant murder, gun warfare, a drugs crisis, illegal prostitution rackets and a rape epidemic.

A report last week by Swedens Lund university said two thirds of all convicted rapists are recent or second generation immigrants.

Barleyfields Sat 01-Feb-25 19:31:01

The Daily Mail … 🙄

GrannyGravy13 Sat 01-Feb-25 19:33:28

I could post info from my Swedish family who still live there, but it would of course be anecdotal…

BevSec Sat 01-Feb-25 19:39:36

Barleyfields

The Daily Mail … 🙄

I know what you mean as I feel the same way about the Guardian, the article was written by Sue Reid from Uppsala Sweden.

LizzieDrip Sat 01-Feb-25 19:57:54

BevSec Sue Reid is a Daily Mail journalist - she’s not from Sweden.

BevSec Sat 01-Feb-25 20:05:58

LizzieDrip

BevSec Sue Reid is a Daily Mail journalist - she’s not from Sweden.

Yes I know, she was reporting from there though.

LizzieDrip Sat 01-Feb-25 20:11:15

Oh well, I suppose that makes her an expert then!

bathsalts Sat 01-Feb-25 20:17:38

BevSec

I am not sure how to post the link but here
Are some quotes taken from the article in the Daily Mail today

Our country has changed and Swedish girls are not safe or protected from the strangers who have been invited to live amongst them. Its not mostly Swedish faces any more. There are many Arab ones from a different culture.

A Middle
Eastern migrant had raped the 15 year old girlfriend of their younger brother (the boys had hunted down the rapist)

The country that once boasted Europes lowest crime rate is now facing rampant murder, gun warfare, a drugs crisis, illegal prostitution rackets and a rape epidemic.

A report last week by Swedens Lund university said two thirds of all convicted rapists are recent or second generation immigrants.

God this is terrifying for people living there.

Friends of mine, Syrian ,showed me pictures of some of what is happening.

BevSec Sat 01-Feb-25 20:36:31

LizzieDrip

Oh well, I suppose that makes her an expert then!

She interviewed the families of some of the rape victims, one of whom was a nine year old girl from Skelleftea in Swedish Lapland.

bathsalts Sat 01-Feb-25 21:22:58

I have to say Bev, you seem strangely obsessed with this and you have yet to answer my thoughtful replies ( point by point)
which I kindly provided.

BevSec Sat 01-Feb-25 21:37:23

bathsalts

I have to say Bev, you seem strangely obsessed with this and you have yet to answer my thoughtful replies ( point by point)
which I kindly provided.

What replies (point by point) i have not seen any.

Allira Sat 01-Feb-25 21:54:15

BevSec

bathsalts

I have to say Bev, you seem strangely obsessed with this and you have yet to answer my thoughtful replies ( point by point)
which I kindly provided.

What replies (point by point) i have not seen any.

It would perhaps be helpful if bathsalts pointed posters in the direction of these thoughtful replies ( point by point)
which they say they kindly provided.

Telling another poster they are strangely obsessed is strange in itself as we have no idea if posters are just concerned or have personal experience.

bathsalts Sat 01-Feb-25 22:12:13

Okie Dokie, no problemo! smile When I get 5 minutes, I'll do just that!!

Allira Sat 01-Feb-25 22:24:00

bathsalts

Okie Dokie, no problemo! smile When I get 5 minutes, I'll do just that!!

👍

M0nica Sat 01-Feb-25 23:10:00

It helps no one if we deny the problems caused by mass immigration - and it is causing problems. Denying problems exist makes the problem worse and delays the time when we look for solutions

But it needs to be looked at from both sides. Many of the problems arise because people coming to this country have come from a very different culture to ours and find adjustment difficult.

There is something called 'culture shock' that can hit anyone anywhere, when they move from one culture or country to one that is very very different. Many refugees and immigrants, do not choose to leave their own country, many are driven out by war, others by very high unemployment, even for universiy graduates, which means they have no alternative than look for work overseas and are forced to live in a country an culture very different to their own.

European governments should have foreseen the problems and done much more to help new immigrants understand the culture they are moving into.

What concerns me most is that the biggest problem seems to be the second generation, especially boys, those born here, to parents born elsewhere, or brought here as young children. They are the victims of the clash with a home culture that follows their own ethnic culture while living in a european country with a very different freer culture. I think the mental illness rate in this group is far higher than in other groups and these are groups most likely to be radicalised because it gives them a certainty they do not have pulled between home and Euopean cultures.

I think the Prevent programme, rather than only working with individuals who are referred to it, should be working at grass roots levels in schools helping children deal with and understand the stresses of a dual culture life, rather than wait until a catastrophe happens and then lock them up for life.

Iam64 Sun 02-Feb-25 07:18:02

Good points from MOnica.
There has long been evidence that some immigrants are more likely to develop mh problems. No surprises there and of course, our mh facilities are over stretched. Investment would be cost effective. Including, as MOnica suggests, support for arrivals. Our town has some good services eg a school for children who arrive with no English. There’s an excellent local authority funded support centre, run largely by volunteers, with the manager a former asylum seeker with settled status.