Shocking news this morning. On the tv and in the papers.

Crossed posts, Growstuff
I also noticed while looking at the sources of the data (cue another plug for the pleasures of going to the root source of a sensational press story) that 2023 showed the lowest number of births since 1977 (569,259). If the general public is worried that too babies are being born to incomers rather than to the "native population", they could redress the balance themselves with a bit of effort.

GrannyGravy13

Elegran I suggest you take this up with the BBC

Your photo is of names in England and Wales. The Office of National Statistics does not keep the registration records of Scotland. (Well, maybe they have the figures and statistics somewhere in their massive filing system, but the National Records of Scotland (NRS) keep the official Scottish registers.)

Elegran

Note that these figures do not mean that there are more boys in the classrooms playgrounds and streets of Britain than boys of any other name you pick. It means that more babies were registered with that name in one year than any other single name.
Of 591,072 live births in England and Wales in 2023, 4,661 Muhammeds were registered. That makes one Muhammed in every 127 children. It doesn't mean that there are more Muhammeds filling the classrooms than non-Muhammeds.

Exactly! I think we're both making the same point.

GrannyGravy13

Elegran I suggest you take this up with the BBC

Why? The article mentions names in England and Wales. Elegran's post was about Scotland. There's no reason why both aren't correct.

Note that these figures do not mean that there are more boys in the classrooms playgrounds and streets of Britain than boys of any other name you pick. It means that more babies were registered with that name in one year than any other single name.
Of 591,072 live births in England and Wales in 2023, 4,661 Muhammeds were registered. That makes one Muhammed in every 127 children. It doesn't mean that there are more Muhammeds filling the classrooms than non-Muhammeds.

I really do not care what people call their offspring.

Posters are quick to ask for evidence and facts.

I assume the BBC is the an ok source?

Elegran I suggest you take this up with the BBC

PS. Sorry, Elegran, I only found the stats for England and Wales.

Yes, it's a fact, but what was the inference? The majority of Muslim boys have some form of Mohammed as one of their names, which is why it tops the list. It's still only just over 4,600 babies. About 600,000 babies are born in England and Wales every year, so 0.76% of them were called Mohammed. It's hardly a big deal.

If it is any comfort to the OP, here are the top 20 names for boys and girls registered in Scotland (in 2023, as published in the National Records of Scotland in March '24, so they presumably won't be publishing the 2024 list until March '25 or so).

Muhammed was way down at 11th, though risen from 12th the previous year.

National Records of Scotland (NRS) said there were a record 2,362 names given to only one boy and 2,983 to just one girl in 2023.
Newborn babies (boys) were named Alloy, Banksy, Daemon and Jihad in a record year for unique names in Scotland. These included boys named Boy, Demigod and Howl and girls called Costly, La, Na, Pasty and Wynter-J.

bathsalts

1.*thousands of irregular migrants flooding into the country*
Rather emotive language
2 I read that the most popular boys name in this country is now Mohammed I wonder what you are infering? This trope takes no account of statistical anomalies.
3 already stretched services, schools stretched by an appalling failure to redistribute wealth.
4.*Are you genuinely unconcerned about how Muslim countries treat women* All so called Muslim countries? All women?
5*how easily it could happen here?* What will happen here? We will all be turned into compliant Muslim women?

Mohammed was the most popular boys name in the UK in 2024

Olivia has been the most popular girls name for the last eight years.

Posters are always asking for facts, these are facts.

1.*thousands of irregular migrants flooding into the country*
Rather emotive language
2 I read that the most popular boys name in this country is now Mohammed I wonder what you are infering? This trope takes no account of statistical anomalies.
3 already stretched services, schools stretched by an appalling failure to redistribute wealth.
4.*Are you genuinely unconcerned about how Muslim countries treat women* All so called Muslim countries? All women?
5*how easily it could happen here?* What will happen here? We will all be turned into compliant Muslim women?

bathsalts

The kicking is a more or less constant attack from the same old same old on displaced people.

It must provide some sort of entertainment or feeling of belonging to the herd I suppose.

Or, it’s genuine dismay at the high level of immigrants living here, mainly in London or the South East who came into the UK on small boats and vanished or overstayed a visa by years and years.
No matter what the numbers exactly, it’s undoubtedly very high.

bathsalts

The kicking is a more or less constant attack from the same old same old on displaced people.

It must provide some sort of entertainment or feeling of belonging to the herd I suppose.

No one wants to attack displaced people, but I would be genuinely interested to know how you feel about thousands of irregular migrants flooding into the country, in your opinion should the UK just keep on accepting unlimited numbers, what haplens to already stretched services, schools, etc.I read that the most popular boys name in this country is now Mohammed. Are you genuinely unconcerned about how Muslim countries treat women and how easily it could happen here? I am not being at all confrontational, just really interested in your thoughts about the future of the UK if the irregular migrants keep on coming.

bathsalts

Person. Poster.

Ah, I wondered if you meant a certain publication.

Presumably you've been lurking then as you've been looking at threads.
Awful term, isn't it! I'm not at all keen on it.
What could we use instead?
Onlooker? Interested party?

Allira

^I know Allira, I blame Gransnet for that - maybe no other media has discussed us!^
We're just not as interesting as MN!

I don’t know. Some very trenchant criticism of Angela Rayner’s green trouser suit by Gnetters was repeated in the Observer, IIRC…

Person. Poster.

The kicking is a more or less constant attack from the same old same old

same old same old what exactly?

The kicking is a more or less constant attack from the same old same old on displaced people.

It must provide some sort of entertainment or feeling of belonging to the herd I suppose.

I’m not sure how to square that post with the comment about kicking someone when they’re down. Perhaps bathsalts can enlighten me.

My thoughts were on the OP on why start something inaccurate, divisive and unkind only to complain?

Some sort of attention seeking behaviour with a fairly obvious undertone I guess.

bathsalts

Wyllow3

But FGT, the O/P of this thread was pretty passionate and intense, and somewhat provocative, on the subject of irregular migrants, what do you expect when you then ask our opinion?

It passes the time I suppose and it's always fun to kick people when they are down.

I'm sorry if it appeared to be "kicking when down" - certainly never my intention on GN or fun in life. Genuine question.

Allira

growstuff

Allira

growstuff

This is what FullFact has to say about the article:

fullfact.org/immigration/illegal-migrant-london-population/

I did post that link pages ago. Perhaps you and PoliticsNerd missed it.
Interesting.

Sorry!

It's ok, I know no-one reads my posts

Oh yes I do!

(Should we start an argument about whether anybody reads your posts? )

I know Allira, I blame Gransnet for that - maybe no other media has discussed us!
We're just not as interesting as MN!

I know Allira, I blame Gransnet for that - maybe no other media has discussed us!

In fairness, I think the support is mostly there for those who say they need it, although there can be some mean comments. It’s better than Mumsnet in that respect, it’s like being thrown to the lions on there sometimes. Totally agree about the humour, the more the better.