The Guardian reports that Trump says all Palestinians should move out of Gaza

so have you watched the link, and listened to Netanyahu's plans in 2001. The woman he was speaking to said 'but they will then accuse us of being the oppressors' and he replied he didn't care.

Claremont

Just watched a video, in a private setting, of Netanyahu planning massive attacks on Palestinians such as we have seen recently. That was in 2001.

So where can we see this video 🤷‍♀️

2001?

That is twenty four years ago !
A lot has happened since then.

Apparently it seems, Hamas has nothing to do with what has happened in the last year and a half, nor the attack on 07/10/23!

Words fail me.

maddyone

2001?

That is twenty four years ago !
A lot has happened since then.

Indeed, the situation for Palestinians, illegla settlements, etc- have got very much worse. But it does indicate what Netanyahu's intentions were, even then, so long ago.

Petra I have linked to this a few posts back. Do you speak Hebrew?

Claremont
I don’t understand why you keep asking if posters speak Hebrew.

Whatever Netanyahu’s thoughts and plans were in 2001, the 7th October 2021 pogrom changed everything.

Hamas planned and executed the 7th October attack. Not Netanyahu!

Sorry, 7th October 2023

Trump isn't saying Palestinians should be removed from Gaza because of 7th october attack though, he said they should be moved out because all the towns are in ruins. Netanyahu demolished the housing. Not Hamas!

No, Hamas didn’t demolish the houses in Gaza, they demolished the lives (and houses) of 1200 people, and took approximately 260 people hostage.

Do you think that Israel wouldn’t react to that?

maddyone

Claremont
I don’t understand why you keep asking if posters speak Hebrew.

Whatever Netanyahu’s thoughts and plans were in 2001, the 7th October 2021 pogrom changed everything.

Hamas planned and executed the 7th October attack. Not Netanyahu!

I think she's asking, so that the subtitles can be verified.

maddyone

Apparently it seems, Hamas has nothing to do with what has happened in the last year and a half, nor the attack on 07/10/23!

Words fail me.

Nobody has claimed that.

Absolutely no-one.

Not all Jewish people agree with what Israel has done, and continues to do.

Some brave Jewish people, who are actually survivors of the Holocaust, are speaking out against Israel's actions. They are admittedly the minority, at least within Israel and possibly amongst Jewish people worldwide. But surely their opinions should carry more weight than the opinions of people who never experienced the horrors of the camps or lived in a society where public opinion was whipped up to portray Jewish people as sub-human, leading eventually to the most terrible atrocities. These survivors are brave enough to speak out against genocide when they see it.

Two Holocaust survivors Marione Ingram, 88, and Stephen Kapos, 86, can be found on YouTube if anyone is interested in hearing what they have to say.

The atrocities carried out by Palestinians is ignored

I think the voices of Holocaust survivors have a right to be heard?

Why ask ?

growstuff

maddyone

Claremont
I don’t understand why you keep asking if posters speak Hebrew.

Whatever Netanyahu’s thoughts and plans were in 2001, the 7th October 2021 pogrom changed everything.

Hamas planned and executed the 7th October attack. Not Netanyahu!

I think she's asking, so that the subtitles can be verified.

Indeed- as some here will say that what Netanyahu is clearly saying, in 2001 already, is correct, or if the subtitles have been somehow altered incorrectly. I know they have not, as I asked Israeli friends who are Hebrew speakers and actually, specialists, to check. They were truly shocked, as they had never seen that video- although they have been aware of his intentions for a long time.

NO-ONE is ignoring the atrocities of October 7th, just NO-ONE. What Hamas did played right into Netanyahu's hands. He was waiting for the perfect excuse- and they gave it to him. And we also know that he had the intelligence, warnings and all the military and security equipement to stop it. He didn't.

I couldn’t access the link.

Puzzling for the world of politics
that the video has been ignored for 24 years ,

Netanyahu’s intention towards the Palestinians has always been well known.

I’m astounded that it has come as a surprise to his supporters on this thread.

One would have thought that if you support someone in their ethnic cleansing intentions, that they would have been aware that he has always had such intentions.

At least you must be aware of Trumps intention. Difficult not to be I would have thought.

Why 24 years , yet he win several elections after 2001

There will always be a few pacifists even among ‘ survivors ‘ who don’t agree with this conflict, just as there are overwhelming numbers of those who see the hamas massacre in Israel as yet another terrible incident from those antisemites who want to wipe all Jews out.
Surrounded by enemies who never let up on sending missiles into Israel until recently when the IDF conducted a brilliant plan against hezbollah , Israel will do whatever is necessary to protect itself.

The history of the persecution of Jews is well known , they must continue to be persecuted? They have never been war mongers

Of course Jews whould have never been persecuted- and should never be again. Neither should Palestinians.

They have never been - but Netanyahu and his supporters are. Jews are not, overall. Netanyahu does NOT represent Jews- massive numbers oppose his views AND the recent genocide- still going on despite the ceasefire.

Palestinians are not war mongers either- many have become so because of what has been done to them. Every bomb and attack will turn so many survivors who have witnessed the pain and suffering of children and their parents, grand-parents - will turn any normal person into a fighter, neither mind a 'war monger'.

You do not know the thoughts of massive numbers of Jews.

Watching the release of the hostages, so many men without
wives, children and parents

Freedom fighters! ! ! !

It was Germany, and to some extent the whole of Europe and the USA, who failed Jewish people in WW2. There were people in Britain who knew exactly what was happening to Jewish people in Germany. Yet many Jews who were in imminent danger were not allowed to enter Britain, and only a limited number of children - many of whom never saw their parents, or indeed any relatives again. The USA only got involved when Pearl Harbour was attacked, otherwise America wanted to keep out of it.

Yet, the Palestinians - who had no involvement whatsoever in the persecution and murder of Jewish people, paid the price for the Holocaust. And, after the war, it is now known that many learned scientists and highly qualified people who had supported the Nazi movement and whose knowledge would be useful to powerful nations, were secretly given refuge in other countries.

Anniebach Have you done any research as to how Palestinian people have been treated in the country which had been their home, and about the lives they have led since their banishment to a tiny portion of the land that was once theirs? The behaviour of the Israeli Government has been likened by many respected individuals and organisations as akin to that found in South Africa under apartheid - whose government called it "separate but equal". It was anything but. Desmond Tutu, who had experience of the apartheid system said that Israel's policies were so like those of apartheid South Africa.

Of course, the attack by Hamas was a vile and cowardly atrocity - and of no help whatsoever to the Palestinian people since, apart from being an evil in itself, it has been used to justify Israel's actions.

Anniebach You have, on many occasions, recalled Wales' unfair treatment, at the hands of the British Government. The government banned Welsh people for speaking their own language and the people had no input into the decision making process relating to issues that solely, and often adversely, affected Wales.

Imagine if the English government had granted official approval for a group of people, not native to Wales, to seize the greater part of Wales, and all the homes thereon, for their own uses, at the same time as confining the indigenous population to a small area of land - and denying them anything like equal access to natural resources, such as water, gas and oil. Whilst there were very serious grievances, they were in no way comparable to the seizure of land, homes and resources which happened to the Palestinian people, yet ......

Wikipedia:
"Meibion Glyndŵr (Welsh pronunciation: [ˈməibjɔn ɡlɨnˈduːr], also known by its translation Sons of Glyndŵr) was a Welsh nationalist group which carried out more than 200 arson attacks against English-owned holiday cottages in Wales.[1] The organisation was founded in 1979, during a period of increasing nationalist sentiment in Wales. During this period, significant elements of Welsh public opinion were opposed to the purchase of holiday cottages in Wales by English people, perceiving it as being a major cause in increasing Wales' house prices.[1] Members of Meibion Glyndŵr were responsible for setting fire to several English-owned properties in Wales from 1979 to the mid-1990s, with only one person connected to the group being arrested.

Wikipedia re J B Jenkins
John Barnard Jenkins plotted a long and audacious bombing campaign with the Welsh nationalist group Mudiad Amddiffyn Cymru (the ‘Movement to Defend Wales’ – generally known as MAC) that caused damage to water pipes and government buildings throughout Wales from 1963 to 1969. ..............
"The first bombing targeted a water pipeline at Llanrhaeadr-ym-Mochnant and the campaign continued with attacks on numerous targets for several years, including tax offices, monuments and an English-owned business. The attacks culminated in four bombs being planted to disrupt the investiture of Prince Charles at Caernarfon Castle in 1969. The first device exploded prematurely, killing two MAC members, while two failed to detonate. One of these laid undiscovered for several days before seriously injuring a 10-year old boy who discovered the device. The last exploded in the garden of a police Chief Constable. Later that year, Jenkins was arrested and charged with theft and explosive offences in relation to the bombings and was sentenced to ten years in prison."

The grievances of the Welsh people were, in my opinion, absolutely well-founded - but they were not in the same ball park as what happened to the Palestinian population. Can you imagine what those nationalist groups would have done if Wales had been in the same position as Palestine?