The Guardian reports that Trump says all Palestinians should move out of Gaza

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

There would be no need to sit in rubble, if there were serious peace plans towards a two state solution with a complete withdrawal of occupying forces.

The surrounding Arab states are ready to fund a Palestinian state PROVIDING that Israel leaves Gaza and recognises it as a sovereign state.

However if Israel refuses to play ball, then they are doomed to permanent war, reliant on the USA to support and fund them with arms. Who on Earth would choose that future.

Only the war-mongers and fools.

So where does everyone live for all the years it will take to rebuild?

Can’t you work that out for yourself?

Oreo people all over the world are living in temporary situation some for years. Palestine would be built bit by bit and people gradually re build and not just have a say in their futures but also physically do it.

(What would Trump propose? International contractors?

A POV - Trumps plan re nice houses to live in Egypt and Jordan won't work - but it is designed to destabilise the region to the extent the cease fire would fail, war return, and cleansing by force.

Jeremy Bowen

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2pwjgp59do

"Short-term, the disruption caused by his stunning announcement could weaken the fragile ceasefire in Gaza. One senior Arab source told me it could be its "death knell".
The absence of a plan for Gaza's future governance is already a fault line in the agreement.

Now Trump has provided one, and even if it does not come to pass, it presses very big buttons in the minds of Palestinians and Israelis.

It will nourish the plans and dreams of ultra-nationalist Jewish extremists who believe all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan river, and perhaps beyond, is a God-given Jewish possession.

Their leaders are part of Netanyahu's government and keep him in power - and they're delighted. They want the Gaza war to resume with the longer-term objective of removing the Palestinians and replacing them with Jews.

The finance minister Bezalel Smotrich said Trump had provided the answer to Gaza's future after the 7 October attacks.

His statement said that "whoever committed the most terrible massacre on our land will find himself losing his land forever. Now we will act to finally bury, with God's help, the dangerous idea of a Palestinian state."

Centrist opposition leaders in Israel have been less effusive, perhaps fearing trouble ahead, but have offered a polite welcome to the plan.

Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups may feel the need to answer Trump with some kind of show of force against Israel.

So you have no idea how they would live then Whitewavemark2 so why not just say so rather than responding with rudeness.

Yes Wyllow3 they are, such as in Syria. It’s an awful life living hand to mouth for years and years, is that what you recommend for the Gazans?

At the moment it’s a moot point as the IDF haven’t finished demolition of tunnels there but at some time in the near future it will be a pressing matter to find the people somewhere to live that doesn’t mean living in a tent for years and one solution would be for many countries to offer a home in an entirely voluntary way, that they could choose to move back in future years if they want to.That way they would have instant access to healthcare and education and a job.
For those who wish to stay there isn’t much option but to live in poor conditions for a long time.

One thing is absolutely sure- the Palestinians will prefer to live in rubble than to leave on Netanyahu's or Trump's orders. They would rather die, they have lost so much already.

And there will never be peace in the region now- not for many generations at least. Netanyahu has succeeded in making the whole arab world unite as never before by this genocide. And it is very scary. But totally understandable. Has been since 1948.

Not recommending a "Syria" at all, Oreo.

Just pointing out that the Palestinians who already have been moved from pillar to post in tent-lands may be prepared to live that way if there is real hope of re-construction with their local involvement,

as opposed to being "removed" and some *outside USA approved "international contractors" deciding how they "ought" to live.

Apart from anything else, why not employ local labour to rebuild, run small businesses, teach small classes etc?

The latest from Israel is that Gazans will be able to apply for refugee status in another country.
Presumably the US will take some, who else would be willing?.

There should be no orders to leave Gaza only asking those who voluntarily want to leave with the promise they can return at a later date.I think many would leave if it meant going to a Western European country or the US.The problem arises that not many countries would want them.
For those who vow to stay they may be ordered to leave certain places in Gaza in order to facilitate rebuilding, so they would have to move around within Gaza.

Seeing the videos of releasing hostages,, certainly masses of health,, strong men there

""Developing war-torn land like a Trump golf resort isn't a peace plan, it's an insult," said Democratic Congressman Troy Carter of Louisiana. "Serious leaders pursue real solutions, not real estate deals."

"The multi-step Israeli-Hamas ceasefire hangs in the balance. The Palestinians could view Trump's comments as a sign that the US is not interested in a lasting peace, while Israeli hard-liners who are a key part of Benjamin Netanyahu's governing coalition may celebrate it as Trump's green light for further expanding Israeli settlements.

Arab nations – some of whom worked with the first Trump administration to produce normalised relations with Israel in the Abraham Accords – may doubt whether Trump in his second term can be a reliable negotiating partner.

There are now years of evidence that Trump's focus can shift on a moment's notice. In the end, he could abandon all attempts at brokering a durable Middle East peace, blaming the Palestinians and their Arab allies for what he might view as their decision to reject the prospect of a better life removed from past conflicts.

Then it's back to trade wars with Canada, condominiums in North Korea, mining sites in Greenland or some other challenge that does not divide his own party or require solving centuries of animosity with seemingly intractable ancestral concerns."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9nmm3nvdno

Wyllow3

Not recommending a "Syria" at all, Oreo.

Just pointing out that the Palestinians who already have been moved from pillar to post in tent-lands may be prepared to live that way if there is real hope of re-construction with their local involvement,

as opposed to being "removed" and some *outside USA approved "international contractors" deciding how they "ought" to live.

Apart from anything else, why not employ local labour to rebuild, run small businesses, teach small classes etc?

Why not? becasue they want them gone, and forever, so they can take it all for themselves. A very long term plan.

All hopes died in 2004 with the death- murder, of Arafat.

Surely there was hope when they voted for a terrorist government

Anniebach

Seeing the videos of releasing hostages,, certainly masses of health,, strong men there

Yes, and presumably the Israelis whose intention was to completely destroy Hamas are realising the folly of this aim.

It was/will never work as long as Israel remains an occupying force.

Anniebach

Surely there was hope when they voted for a terrorist government

They didn’t. They voted for a government of their choice. They are not terrorists in the Palestinian eyes, they are freedom fighters. They fight to rid their country of the occupying force.

Wanting to free the world of terrorists is a folly !

David49

The latest from Israel is that Gazans will be able to apply for refugee status in another country.
Presumably the US will take some, who else would be willing?.

Other countries aren’t exactly queuing up are they?
I wonder why 🤔

Anniebach

Wanting to free the world of terrorists is a folly !

No - assuming that they would be able to do so from a land that they occupy is folly -

Consider any forcibly occupied country in the world.

Would you be surprised that there are “freedom” fighters and that it would never cease until the occupiers leave.

Mandela and the ANC are a case in point. Considered terrorists in their day.

And they were the only hope to fight the dreadful, racist, unjust Apartheid regime. This is what happens when there is NO other way left to fight the oppressor. Who else could the Palestinian choose to fight for their land and freedom?

Freedom fighters , taken a while but expected

Whitewavemark2

Anniebach

Surely there was hope when they voted for a terrorist government

They didn’t. They voted for a government of their choice. They are not terrorists in the Palestinian eyes, they are freedom fighters. They fight to rid their country of the occupying force.

Remind me when the last election was in Gaza.

Was it 2006? Nineteen years ago when Hamas campaigned as the Change and Reform Party (receiving 44.45% of votes) against Fatah which received 41.43%.
I wonder how many regretted that afterwards?

Any ceasefire or migration aside 2 issues remain, Hamas vowing to destroy Israel and Gaza isn’t sustainable with 2 million in such a small area.

By the crowds howling at the hostages when they were being released ,I very much doubt there are regrets

there is a coma missing no?

Eh? Where? Or do you mean an apostrophe rather than a comma?