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Whitewavemark2 Wed 29-Jan-25 11:54:37

I would highly recommend todays “The Rest is Politics” 29/01/25. Podcast

Warning it is grim and chilling

MaizieD Fri 31-Jan-25 09:19:23

This is America - he simply will not be allowed to be a dictator.

Who is going to stop him, Arto1s, and how are they going to do it?

He has already demonstrated that he has no regard for the law, or the Constitution. What other mechanisms are there in place?

While he controls the armed forces he's laughing...

Claremont Fri 31-Jan-25 09:28:11

His Press Conference after the accident was just insane. And he says we need 'the highest intellect and psychologically superior people' in key posts. Well, I'd agree with him there, but he has been appointing the worst, with no experience, and certainly none of the above qualities.

And you'd hope POTUS would have 'the highest intellect and psychological stability, never mind superiority'.

Our family and friends in the USA are all looking at options to get out, right now- they are scared (and they are all white and medium ++ class, and very well off).

PoliticsNerd Fri 31-Jan-25 10:07:10

My family have gone very quiet on the subject - not that they ever said anything where it can be heard or read. They live in very different States though, and even that worries me.

I also wonder if this could eventually be the end of the "united" States and a reversion to separates States or countries. What a different world that would be!

Wyllow3 Fri 31-Jan-25 10:57:23

PoliticsNerd

My family have gone very quiet on the subject - not that they ever said anything where it can be heard or read. They live in very different States though, and even that worries me.

I also wonder if this could eventually be the end of the "united" States and a reversion to separates States or countries. What a different world that would be!

No, that won't happen. But we are going to see conflicts and I believe instability, and possible breakdowns in certain services in a patchy way.

It's not just the politics will cause it - its the bewildering number of orders sent out and continuing to be sent out in a short space of time. Many ill considered as to consequences and possible conflict.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 31-Jan-25 11:13:41

I note that his defence minister is a known alcoholic and wife beater.

Doesn’t bode well for sound judgement.

mum2three Fri 31-Jan-25 11:20:26

Just as in Britain, something had to be done. The country couldn't continue as it was.
He didn't actually blame the staff in the Air Traffic Control. He hinted that it might have been a factor. It's true that employees are being chosen for the colour of their skin, not their suitability for the job. The same thing is happening here.

Claremont Fri 31-Jan-25 11:22:59

It seems there are just 3 people on GN who support Trump, and Farage too. I am so glad it appears to be a minuscule minority.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 31-Jan-25 11:24:06

On here. There’s a big wide world out there!
Hence the votes …. 😁

Galaxy Fri 31-Jan-25 11:25:36

Well I doubt GN is representative of society as a whole, lots of people were astounded that remain lost the referendum as on their social media 'everyone' supported remain.

Claremont Fri 31-Jan-25 11:36:47

In the meantime, with staffing at airport control at lowest level ever

Horrifying near-miss between passenger plane and helicopter just 24 hours before American Airlines crash killed 67

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 31-Jan-25 11:37:25

I did ask if you agreed that the citizenship of each person was equal. If it is, surely intentional actions and policy interventions must be put in place to at least move towards equality of opportunity. While the ideal of equal citizenship is a core principle of democracy, achieving true equality often requires ongoing efforts to address systemic inequalities, promote inclusivity, and ensure that all citizens can fully participate in and benefit from democratic governance.

There is no need for ‘intentional actions and policy interventions’. It’s this kind of HR gobbledook that gets us in this liberal inclusivity muddle. It’s tinkering - well meaning - but in my opinion, ticking DEI boxes may seem virtuous PoliticsNerd but I do come back to my own viewpoint which is, ALL are welcome to apply for ANY job but posts should only be given on MERIT alone.

Wyllow3 Fri 31-Jan-25 11:53:07

mum2three

Just as in Britain, something had to be done. The country couldn't continue as it was.
He didn't actually blame the staff in the Air Traffic Control. He hinted that it might have been a factor. It's true that employees are being chosen for the colour of their skin, not their suitability for the job. The same thing is happening here.

This is a fundamental error in understanding what DEI policy is about mum2three.
I challenge you to show me any evidence that there were under qualified air traffic controllers in those towers

It's about if there is serious under-representation of say people of colour or women in a profession, then when confronted with a group of candidates for a job who all have relevant and competent qualifications, making choices to reflect the population in general.

Trump didnt "hint" it was a factor. He blamed full on. Read the detail in here, there were a whole slew of claims.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/30/trump-washington-dc-plane-crash-dei

"claiming Democrats were responsible for declining standards in air traffic control and that the disaster “could have been” caused by diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) policies at the Federal Aviation Administration.

Trump turned what might have been a sombre a press conference into a baseless rant against DEI, despite no evidence of a link with the crash at Ronald Reagan Washington National airport, which involved an American Airlines jet and a US military helicopter

And only a week before, Trump had dismissed the Aviation Advisory Security Advisory committee, whose job is to keep the skies safe.

"Trump also said Buttigieg, who is gay, ran the transportation department into the ground “with his diversity”.

Amid Democratic outrage, Buttigieg called Trump’s remarks “despicable” and said: “As families grieve, Trump should be leading, not lying.

“We put safety first, drove down close calls, grew air traffic control, and had zero commercial airline crash fatalities out of millions of flights on our watch.

President Trump now oversees the military and the FAA"

Wyllow3 Fri 31-Jan-25 11:55:59

FriedGreenTomatoes2

^I did ask if you agreed that the citizenship of each person was equal. If it is, surely intentional actions and policy interventions must be put in place to at least move towards equality of opportunity. While the ideal of equal citizenship is a core principle of democracy, achieving true equality often requires ongoing efforts to address systemic inequalities, promote inclusivity, and ensure that all citizens can fully participate in and benefit from democratic governance.^

There is no need for ‘intentional actions and policy interventions’. It’s this kind of HR gobbledook that gets us in this liberal inclusivity muddle. It’s tinkering - well meaning - but in my opinion, ticking DEI boxes may seem virtuous PoliticsNerd but I do come back to my own viewpoint which is, ALL are welcome to apply for ANY job but posts should only be given on MERIT alone.

FGT, where is the evidence that any air traffic controllers were not selected on merit as you claim? (I described the DEI selection process in my post to *mum2three)

Chocolatelovinggran Fri 31-Jan-25 11:56:27

When I was appointing staff, I chose the best person for the job, mum2three. When my DIL appoints new members of staff, her criteria is related to the degree achieved by the candidates.
What evidence do you have that skin colour is the criteria of choice?

HousePlantQueen Fri 31-Jan-25 12:01:02

It's true that employees are being chosen for the colour of their skin, not their suitability for the job. The same thing is happening here

What is the evidence for this statement? Having an opinion is one thing, but stating this as fact needs back up.

Allira Fri 31-Jan-25 12:07:48

ALL are welcome to apply for ANY job but posts should only be given on MERIT alone.

I don't think anyone can argue with that.
However, in years past there was a lot of discrimination so that did have to be addressed.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 31-Jan-25 12:13:04

And this illustrates exactly what’s at fault with the DEI meddling that’s become endemic in the West. ..

Connor Stringer (Telegraph today)
“An aspiring air traffic controller who claims he was denied a job because of diversity targets said the aviation agency’s obsession with inclusion made an accident likely to happen.

Andrew Brigida, 35, scored 100 per cent in his training exam but claims he was denied a position in an air traffic control tower because the recruitment process of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) favoured diverse candidates.

He is part of a class action lawsuit filed against the federal agency.

Speaking after the disaster that killed 67 people, Mr Brigida claimed that years of diversity hiring meant it was only a matter of time before an accident happened.

“You want to hire the best and the brightest for this kind of job because it is a very stressful job and it can take a toll on you, age you prematurely,” he told The Telegraph.

“You want to make sure that the people that are doing it are the best.”

Claremont Fri 31-Jan-25 12:16:35

HousePlantQueen

*It's true that employees are being chosen for the colour of their skin, not their suitability for the job. The same thing is happening here*

What is the evidence for this statement? Having an opinion is one thing, but stating this as fact needs back up.

Making such statements are massively outrageous.

Thank you Willow 3 for your post above, explaining the reality of DEI, and not the sheer prejudice bordering on all the possible 'isms we all know about, including racism + mysoginy.

Claremont Fri 31-Jan-25 12:20:01

In the meantime, his reply to the reporter who asked him if he was going to visit the site, was, again, inhumane, totally disrespectful- just sure signs of total ineptitude and psychological and emotional disability.

x.com/JordanUhl/status/1885098932730290433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1885098932730290433%7Ctwgr%5E89f31a206c05c108ce8814075f36cd17bf454f2f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thepoke.com%2F2025%2F01%2F31%2Fdonald-trump-asked-visit-washington-dc-crash-site%2F%3Futm_source%3Dfacebookutm_medium%3Dpicutm_campaign%3Dfacebookpic

Claremont Fri 31-Jan-25 12:20:33

What's the site - he said, do you want me to go swimming!

Wyllow3 Fri 31-Jan-25 12:24:26

FriedGreenTomatoes2

And this illustrates exactly what’s at fault with the DEI meddling that’s become endemic in the West. ..

Connor Stringer (Telegraph today)
“An aspiring air traffic controller who claims he was denied a job because of diversity targets said the aviation agency’s obsession with inclusion made an accident likely to happen.

Andrew Brigida, 35, scored 100 per cent in his training exam but claims he was denied a position in an air traffic control tower because the recruitment process of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) favoured diverse candidates.

He is part of a class action lawsuit filed against the federal agency.

Speaking after the disaster that killed 67 people, Mr Brigida claimed that years of diversity hiring meant it was only a matter of time before an accident happened.

“You want to hire the best and the brightest for this kind of job because it is a very stressful job and it can take a toll on you, age you prematurely,” he told The Telegraph.

“You want to make sure that the people that are doing it are the best.”

Who knows why he really didn't get the job? Bitter employee claims don't mean that appointees were not capable and fully competent and also got high %.

PoliticsNerd Fri 31-Jan-25 12:28:58

mum2three

Just as in Britain, something had to be done. The country couldn't continue as it was.
He didn't actually blame the staff in the Air Traffic Control. He hinted that it might have been a factor. It's true that employees are being chosen for the colour of their skin, not their suitability for the job. The same thing is happening here.

What exactly was the problem mum2three, that meant "something had to be done"?

RosieandherMaw Fri 31-Jan-25 13:18:48

His Press Conference after the accident was just insane. And he says we need 'the highest intellect and psychologically superior people' in key posts

This makes my blood run cold and is so reminiscent of the Nazi obsession with the “superiority “ of their “master race”.
Don’t anybody tell me the colour of your skin or your sexuality diminishes intellect or “psychological superiority”
Famous scientists, philosophers, writers, athletes, psychologists, musicians, mathematicians, - unfortunately the same can’t be said of (some) presidents of the United States.

RosieandherMaw Fri 31-Jan-25 13:20:08

Just to add, people (men) used to think women were not the intellectual equal of men. Still think that now?

Wyllow3 Fri 31-Jan-25 13:26:58

RosieandherMaw

Just to add, people (men) used to think women were not the intellectual equal of men. Still think that now?

Sigh. Indeed! its taken great efforts equal opportunity wise since the 1970's to get women and people of colour onto those "equal merit" interview lists at all.

We seem to forget it's only through peoples efforts and a number of initiatives that it has changed! and on the disability front too - buildings that didn't have wheelchair access - everything had to be fought for!

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