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Whitewavemark2 Wed 29-Jan-25 11:54:37

I would highly recommend todays “The Rest is Politics” 29/01/25. Podcast

Warning it is grim and chilling

Allira Fri 31-Jan-25 13:30:56

RosieandherMaw

^His Press Conference after the accident was just insane. And he says we need 'the highest intellect and psychologically superior people' in key posts^

This makes my blood run cold and is so reminiscent of the Nazi obsession with the “superiority “ of their “master race”.
Don’t anybody tell me the colour of your skin or your sexuality diminishes intellect or “psychological superiority”
Famous scientists, philosophers, writers, athletes, psychologists, musicians, mathematicians, - unfortunately the same can’t be said of (some) presidents of the United States.

I suppose he thinks because he's blond, blue-eyed, tall and fit(ish) that makes him superior to other lesser beings.

Chilling.

Allira Fri 31-Jan-25 14:35:05

Claremont

His Press Conference after the accident was just insane. And he says we need 'the highest intellect and psychologically superior people' in key posts. Well, I'd agree with him there, but he has been appointing the worst, with no experience, and certainly none of the above qualities.

And you'd hope POTUS would have 'the highest intellect and psychological stability, never mind superiority'.

Our family and friends in the USA are all looking at options to get out, right now- they are scared (and they are all white and medium ++ class, and very well off).

Our family and friends in the USA are all looking at options to get out, right now- they are scared (and they are all white and medium ++ class, and very well off).

Were they living there last time he was POTUS or have they moved there since then, Claremont?

If they have been there for a long time, do they think Trump has got worse since the last time he was in office?
I'm thinking back and there were protest marches back then when he was elected in 2017.

Will people leave or will there be even more protests this time?

PoliticsNerd Fri 31-Jan-25 14:44:35

And this illustrates exactly what’s at fault with the DEI meddling that’s become endemic in the West. .. (FriedGreenTomatoes2)

That's the Telegraph! Does anyone still believe them? So many of my friends no longer subscribing.

imaround Fri 31-Jan-25 14:55:54

It is already worse this time around Allira. Much more sinister and organized.

I have a child affected by these executive orders and we are researching and finding information on leaving the US. For the first time in my life.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 31-Jan-25 15:12:07

PoliticsNerd

^And this illustrates exactly what’s at fault with the DEI meddling that’s become endemic in the West. ..^ (FriedGreenTomatoes2)

That's the Telegraph! Does anyone still believe them? So many of my friends no longer subscribing.

Are you saying this man (quoted) is lying? 😮
It’s not a ‘Telegraph’ take on things.
It’s a quote from a gentleman with his ‘lived experience’. Counts for me.

Claremont Fri 31-Jan-25 15:17:48

Allira

Claremont

His Press Conference after the accident was just insane. And he says we need 'the highest intellect and psychologically superior people' in key posts. Well, I'd agree with him there, but he has been appointing the worst, with no experience, and certainly none of the above qualities.

And you'd hope POTUS would have 'the highest intellect and psychological stability, never mind superiority'.

Our family and friends in the USA are all looking at options to get out, right now- they are scared (and they are all white and medium ++ class, and very well off).

Our family and friends in the USA are all looking at options to get out, right now- they are scared (and they are all white and medium ++ class, and very well off).

Were they living there last time he was POTUS or have they moved there since then, Claremont?

If they have been there for a long time, do they think Trump has got worse since the last time he was in office?
I'm thinking back and there were protest marches back then when he was elected in 2017.

Will people leave or will there be even more protests this time?

They have all been there for generations and yes, they hoped Trump's last election was just a terrible mistake, and could never happen again. And yes, they do believe that being elected for a second time has emboldened and empowered him massively, and that he is now more dangerous than first time.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 31-Jan-25 15:23:41

^Don’t anybody tell me the colour of your skin or your sexuality diminishes intellect or “psychological superiority”
Famous scientists, philosophers, writers, athletes, psychologists, musicians, mathematicians^

I don’t think that’s what DEI is about Maw.
I take it to mean that tick boxes of quotas have to be filled.

Of course different diversity groups are of equal or superior intelligence … but let’s base offering jobs on that basis ALONE.
Not LBGQT+ not colour, nor ethnicity. We can’t pretend this isn’t happening nowadays.

ABILITY only would be good. In my opinion anyway.

HousePlantQueen Fri 31-Jan-25 15:33:19

RosieandherMaw

Just to add, people (men) used to think women were not the intellectual equal of men. Still think that now?

and we all know the sad story of Alan Turing, a brilliant man. Presumably in Trump world ( and sadly, in the world of a few on GN).

Was he employed on a DEI card?

MaizieD Fri 31-Jan-25 15:33:31

Perhaps you have never consistently suffered from discrimination, FGT. Discrimination, not exercised as a reaction to your abilities or intelligence but exercised as a reaction to your skin colour, your physical appearance or your gender.

Had you experienced that all your life you might just feel that positive discrimination is not altogether a bad thing.

HousePlantQueen Fri 31-Jan-25 15:36:41

FriedGreenTomatoes2

PoliticsNerd

And this illustrates exactly what’s at fault with the DEI meddling that’s become endemic in the West. .. (FriedGreenTomatoes2)

That's the Telegraph! Does anyone still believe them? So many of my friends no longer subscribing.

Are you saying this man (quoted) is lying? 😮
It’s not a ‘Telegraph’ take on things.
It’s a quote from a gentleman with his ‘lived experience’. Counts for me.

Nobody is suggesting this man is lying, but just because he was in the top of his cohort, it doesn't mean he should get the job if there are others with equal marks, it is usual in high powered positions for there to be more applicants than positions.

And no, nobody with critical thinking believes anything in the once great Telegraph.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 31-Jan-25 15:38:47

And no, nobody with critical thinking believes anything in the once great Telegraph

Nobody? Really?
Tosh.

PoliticsNerd Fri 31-Jan-25 15:40:34

FriedGreenTomatoes2

PoliticsNerd

And this illustrates exactly what’s at fault with the DEI meddling that’s become endemic in the West. .. (FriedGreenTomatoes2)

That's the Telegraph! Does anyone still believe them? So many of my friends no longer subscribing.

Are you saying this man (quoted) is lying? 😮
It’s not a ‘Telegraph’ take on things.
It’s a quote from a gentleman with his ‘lived experience’. Counts for me.

I am saying I have doubt, dubiety, skepticism, suspicion, and uncertainty in anything this paper now prints.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 31-Jan-25 15:41:22

HousePlantQueen please could you inform us which newspapers we are allowed to get our information from?

Claremont Fri 31-Jan-25 15:45:05

One thing that I just cannot understand, at all.

Those here, Farage/Reform supporters - who mostly (probably all actually) voted for Brexit- did so so that the UK would keep its Sovereignty and independence- even though the UK had elected members representing us and making decisions at the top table in the EU. And now, semm totally prepared to follow Trump's USA blindly, without any representation or any input whatsoever in decision making- even those decisions which could and will, severely affect the UK.

How on earth does that work?

Wyllow3 Fri 31-Jan-25 15:48:44

Not just that.

Bodies still in the water, and what does the Telegraph chooses to focus on?
Something thats dredged up to "prove" Trumps DEI remarks.

We know nothing about the man except he's angry he didn't get a job, reasons could have been many, absolutely no proof whatsoever it was related to DEI.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 31-Jan-25 15:49:06

Claremont your post of 15.45.05 is full of unfounded assumptions.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 31-Jan-25 15:52:53

Our ‘Brexit Babe’ strikes again.
🤔

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 31-Jan-25 15:54:11

Trade, Claremont.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 31-Jan-25 15:55:17

PoliticsNerd

FriedGreenTomatoes2

PoliticsNerd

And this illustrates exactly what’s at fault with the DEI meddling that’s become endemic in the West. .. (FriedGreenTomatoes2)

That's the Telegraph! Does anyone still believe them? So many of my friends no longer subscribing.

Are you saying this man (quoted) is lying? 😮
It’s not a ‘Telegraph’ take on things.
It’s a quote from a gentleman with his ‘lived experience’. Counts for me.

I am saying I have doubt, dubiety, skepticism, suspicion, and uncertainty in anything this paper now prints.

Okay.
So which newspaper in your opinion is your go-to for news of the day?

pascal30 Fri 31-Jan-25 15:56:50

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Our ‘Brexit Babe’ strikes again.
🤔

keep at it Claremont.. Bring back the EU to our beleaguered land

Wyllow3 Fri 31-Jan-25 15:58:11

I would say simply, no one paper, FGT. If its a big issue then check out other views too, and if its in the US sources there. Google the issue - like the DEI remarks - and there are a wealth of choices.

LizzieDrip Fri 31-Jan-25 16:00:07

”Nobody is suggesting this man is lying, but just because he was in the top of his cohort, it doesn't mean he should get the job if there are others with equal marks, it is usual in high powered positions for there to be more applicants than positions”

Exactly HPQ.

FGT I don’t know if you’ve ever been in a position of interviewing and employing people or not?

If you have, you will surely know that there’s a lot more to assessing the suitability of an applicant than scoring highly on a test. As suggested above, that doesn’t necessarily make them the ‘best’ person for the job.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 31-Jan-25 16:04:58

pascal30

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Our ‘Brexit Babe’ strikes again.
🤔

keep at it Claremont.. Bring back the EU to our beleaguered land

🤣🤣🤣

Claremont Fri 31-Jan-25 16:13:15

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Trade, Claremont.

Trade without Sovereignty, really?

Was was Trade with the EU, where we did have elected representatives AND a strong say in the decision making, NOT important- despite close proximity and strong cultural and historical links.

Wyllow3 Fri 31-Jan-25 16:13:50

Wyllow3

I would say simply, no one paper, FGT. If its a big issue then check out other views too, and if its in the US sources there. Google the issue - like the DEI remarks - and there are a wealth of choices.

Also, Sky and Yahoo after a certain amount of time has passed will quote the DM and the Telegraph, so although they are behind a wall we can all read them too.

For US news I check the CNN website first then others if they appear in a google search.

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