Rachel Gives A Thumbs Up To The Third Runway

Yes Barleyfields, but it won’t be delayed by court proceedings, and of course it’s not a new plan, a lot of the preparation work has been done because it was going to happen under the Tory government too. I don’t think I’m being overly optimistic, I think work will start on elements within a couple of years.

I think (hope) you’re right Casdon.
It’s no use complaining about more planes when there isn’t enough runway to land the planes that we already have. It’s very polluting for planes to be circling round and round above the airport simply because there’s no runway availability for them to land.

Noise pollution too.

"According to recent reports, on average, more than a third of all arriving planes at Heathrow, which translates to around 232 aircraft per day, are held in "stacks" above London where they circle while waiting to land, spending an average of 6.85 minutes in a holding pattern before descending to the runway.
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Gatwick Airport has two runways, but due to their close proximity only one can be used at a time…

We are so London Centred business wise, but there's no getting away from this - airports with space over the country.

Wyllow3

We are so London Centred business wise, but there's no getting away from this - airports with space over the country.

I don’t know much about northern airports, I assume they would have the same expansion problems as the London ones?

Manchester Airport has two runways already, and there’s a huge redevelopment programme going on there now - I read that it gives them capacity to double their passenger numbers. I saw that the government want Doncaster Robin Hood airport (sorry I don’t know it’s official name) to reopen too - I’ve never travelled from there, but I assume it could increase capacity in the north.

From what I remember when I travelled from Manchester when I lived up there in my younger days, it was on a huge site too, not sure if it would fully accommodate a third runway, but unless it’s changed since the eighties, it might.

I imagine the bottom line is they (the government) will only develop where they know the passenger numbers will make it worth while.

AGAA4

Apparently scientists say the Doomsday clock has moved one second closer to midnight. It started in 1947, 77 years ago, at 7 minutes to midnight. Now there are 89 seconds to go.
We should be discouraging flying not wanting more planes in.the air.
We can see what is happening with flooding, fires and more severe weather than ever before.
No point having growth if the earth is dying.

Exactly this. Does nobody in this government heed the climate crisis! It’s all short-term thinking.

I've always been in favour of the third runway (it's a debate that's been going on for 20 years).
I do worry about the climate implications, but London used to be the main transport hub for inter-continental flights coming to Europe & I believe it's lost out to Paris now because of their better capacity.
Heathrow's pretty well situated with not much housing under the take-off path & excellent road & rail links.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Milliband says ‘no’.
Sadiq Khan says ‘no’.

It was voted ‘yes’ in the HoC in 2018.
But Labour opposed it.

The M25 will have to be shut for months at weekends.

It will take more than 10 years to be up and operational if it happens.
Clue: it won’t.

Here we go again
Déjà vu!

HS2 all over again?
Homes compulsory purchased, even after cancellation.
Never mind, householders can repurchase the land at current market values.

compulsorily.

The noise, the pollution?
The disruption.
The Green Agenda?

They are building the Birmingham HS2 link at the moment.
Houses and land have been compulsorily purchased The M42 motorway has been shut at the weekends for months. It must be a huge pain in the neck for those affected. It’s happening. Heathrow Runway 3 is going to happen too.

Isn't this just yet another Conservative idea that Starmer's party are going forward with?

valdali

I've always been in favour of the third runway (it's a debate that's been going on for 20 years).
I do worry about the climate implications, but London used to be the main transport hub for inter-continental flights coming to Europe & I believe it's lost out to Paris now because of their better capacity.
Heathrow's pretty well situated with not much housing under the take-off path & excellent road & rail links.

Heathrow is still first, followed by Istanbul then Paris for busyness.

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Ilovecheese

Isn't this just yet another Conservative idea that Starmer's party are going forward with?

No, it’s a Gordon Brown idea the Tories took up.

David49

A very “courageous” move bearing in mind that it’s not going to be operational for 10 yrs when it’s quite likely that we won’t have a Labour government. If the Tech industry is going to be developed in the Oxford/Cambridge area expansion of Stansted would seem useful.

If climate targets are to be met expanding air travel does not seem a good choice, sustainable it is not and never will be, however much they try to justify it. Even if Hydrogen transport does become economic, green hydrogen is very expensive to manufacture

Wasn’t there talk a couple of years ago about a superhighway from Oxford to Cambridge ( cars not rail) or did I dream that?

Casdon

They are building the Birmingham HS2 link at the moment.
Houses and land have been compulsorily purchased The M42 motorway has been shut at the weekends for months. It must be a huge pain in the neck for those affected. It’s happening. Heathrow Runway 3 is going to happen too.

Yes, like it or not the Heathrow expansion will happen.

Oreo

David49

A very “courageous” move bearing in mind that it’s not going to be operational for 10 yrs when it’s quite likely that we won’t have a Labour government. If the Tech industry is going to be developed in the Oxford/Cambridge area expansion of Stansted would seem useful.

If climate targets are to be met expanding air travel does not seem a good choice, sustainable it is not and never will be, however much they try to justify it. Even if Hydrogen transport does become economic, green hydrogen is very expensive to manufacture

Wasn’t there talk a couple of years ago about a superhighway from Oxford to Cambridge ( cars not rail) or did I dream that?

I don’t know about road links but the Oxford - Cambridge rail connection is under construction and should be completed in the next few years.

I used to live under the Heathrow flight path. The debate about a 3rd runway has been rattling on for far too long. anyone else remember Boris suggesting that we build a third airport in the Thames estuary as an alternative?

I think the money wasted on the procrastination is criminal. They should just get in and do it.

Am I being cynical,to suspect someone somewhere (yes I do mean you, Rachel) might be trying to change the subject?
Just coming up with novel wheezes and jolly japes isn’t going to solve the problems (NHS, cost of living, shrinking economy, education - how long have you got) we are all facing.

Third runways and silicone valleys ate all very well, but what is the North getting?

Labour have got their economics the wrong way round. The very basic foundations of growth lie with the consumer, the general public who spend their money on the goods and services that new enterprises provide. But the general public is very short of money. There is a very poor market for potential businesses.

It would be very helpful if the chancellor were to indtruct the Bank of England to lower the interest rates which are contributing to inflation and keeping prices of the basics high, so that people have no spare money…

Then she could tell the B o E to give the government a massive overdraft so that we could get public services put right. That money would be spread all over the UK, instead of being concentrated in the South and Midlands and would enable growth today, instead of in 10 years time..

I think you should send that to Rachel, MaizieD

Rula

I think you should send that to Rachel, MaizieD

I have absolutely no doubt that there are plenty of economists offering her much the same sort of advice. But she seems to have been captured by Big Business, who are much more interested in their profits (all those lovely juicy mega contracts in their sights) than in what is actually good for the people of the UK.

I am horrified at her lack of economic nous…

MaizieD

Third runways and silicone valleys ate all very well, but what is the North getting?

Labour have got their economics the wrong way round. The very basic foundations of growth lie with the consumer, the general public who spend their money on the goods and services that new enterprises provide. But the general public is very short of money. There is a very poor market for potential businesses.

It would be very helpful if the chancellor were to indtruct the Bank of England to lower the interest rates which are contributing to inflation and keeping prices of the basics high, so that people have no spare money…

Then she could tell the B o E to give the government a massive overdraft so that we could get public services put right. That money would be spread all over the UK, instead of being concentrated in the South and Midlands and would enable growth today, instead of in 10 years time..

The North is getting substantial investment into key railway lines, it was announced some time ago.

But main recent interest is that the airport near Doncaster which covers S Yorks and Humberside, which had closed down under Tories, will be funded to reopen.