Where is the celebration?

I leave you to prepare those lists and plans- I have a really nice, exciting weekend ahead. Enjoy.

You’re quite wrong Rula. Younger people are more fired up about the UK leaving the EU than older people, who as you say, won’t be around to reap what has been sown. They will live with the consequences.
www.statista.com/statistics/1393682/brexit-opinion-poll-by-age/

Before I go up and get my case packed, here is a long passage by the hugely intelligent Jon Danzig, who destroys the myth of Farage's ''real Brexit' - who voted for THAT.

Nigel Farage says a real #Brexit ‘hasn’t been delivered’
𝗪𝗛𝗘𝗡 𝗗𝗜𝗗 𝗕𝗥𝗜𝗧𝗔𝗜𝗡 𝗩𝗢𝗧𝗘 𝗙𝗢𝗥 𝗙𝗔𝗥𝗔𝗚𝗘’𝗦 ‘𝗥𝗘𝗔𝗟’ 𝗕𝗥𝗘𝗫𝗜𝗧?

On the fifth anniversary of Britain leaving the EU, the Daily Express front page today features a message from Reform UK leader Nigel Farage, claiming that a real Brexit has ‘not been delivered.’
He insists, ‘We now need people in charge to deliver the Brexit we voted for...’
But when exactly did Britain vote for that?

The 2016 referendum question offered only two choices:

▪ Remain a member of the European Union
▪ Leave the European Union

We knew what Remain meant, having experienced it for over 40 years. But what did Leave mean? It was never defined.
Even leading Brexiters couldn’t agree with each other what version of Brexit they wanted.

Some, like former Tory MEP Daniel Hannan, argued that leaving the EU didn’t mean exiting the Single Market.

Others, like Jacob Rees-Mogg, acknowledged the need for a clear referendum question - something we never got.

Three months before the vote, David Cameron's Conservatives government outlined three possible Brexit models, all of which it warned would harm Britain. Which one did Leave voters choose?

1. THE NORWAY OPTION – Leaving the EU but retaining frictionless access to the Single Market. This meant following EU rules and allowing free movement, without a say in decision-making.

2. THE CANADA OPTION – Tariff-free trade with the EU but without the benefits of frictionless trade, severely restricting Britain’s services sector, which makes up nearly 80% of our economy.

3. THE WTO OPTION (or ‘no deal’, later rebranded by Boris Johnson as the ‘Australia Deal’) – Trading under World Trade Organisation rules, leading to tariffs, bureaucracy, and loss of EU membership benefits.
[Link: brexitversions.eu-rope.com]

None of these options appeared on the ballot paper.
The choice was between Remain or a deliberately vague Leave, making it easier to sell a dreamlike hazy vision of Brexit rather than a concrete, accountable plan.
If the Leave campaign had been forced to define its vision, would it have won?

Polls now consistently show that rather than demanding a version of Brexit no one voted for, the country increasingly regrets Brexit altogether.

▪ The Daily Express online version reported today, ‘Nigel Farage has vowed to deliver the Brexit 17.9million people voted for if he becomes Prime Minister.’ The Express couldn’t even get the number right – it was 17.4million Leave voters.
Let’s hope – and campaign – to make sure that Farage doesn’t become Prime Minister to deliver a Brexit nobody voted for.

▪ Watch my related video: ‘Brexiters are outnumbered’ – outnumbered.jondanzig.com

© Report and graphic by Jon Danzig

To put it bluntly, those constantly lamenting Brexit will be 6 feet under soon enough

So true.
The average age on here is probably 70.
Enjoy the years you have left & let the younger generations worry about Brexit.

All of our five children voted to leave, they are not worrying about.

They are enjoying their lives, enjoying their children and looking forwards…

I just remember this and not allowed to vote.

I have adult children too GrannyGravy13 & they never mention Brexit.
One of my daughters & her partner voted remain but they still never mention it, they’re all too busy getting on with their lives.

My children are living their lives and looking forward too, and I would hope that’s what everybody does GrannyGravy13. That doesn’t mean they don’t have concerns about where the UK is headed, and that they won’t campaign for the UK to rejoin the EU. It’s not going to end with us.

GrannyGravy13

My NHS a daughter isn’t, there are not enough staff so wards have to be closed and they are stretched with the ones that are open.

My first granddaughter, who was born in Oxford isn’t, it is too expensive for overseas people to study. This the same for my other 4 DGC.

Casdon I see I've accidentally posted the same poll as you. I meant to post the other one - there are two recent ones.
Apologies.

GrannyGravy13

All of our five children voted to leave, they are not worrying about.

They are enjoying their lives, enjoying their children and looking forwards…

Sensible people GG13.

One o& our daughters voted Remain.
T’other Leave.

We don’t discuss Brexit. Who does in real life?
We just love one another and get on with our lives, as most do.

Brexit has been a total disaster. 60% of the public think it was a mistake and they are right. A disaster for small firms exporting to the EU, a disaster for workers who need free movement to work in the EU, bad for UK homeowners in France who now are limited to 90 days and a mess for students wanting to study or research in the EU. It has cast the UK adrift of our most important trading zone. The sooner we establish integrated relations with the EU the better.

None of my French friends pity us, nor do they even mention Brexit to us when we are over there. In fact, their country seems to be facing similar problems to ours.
It's annoying for travel arrangements, especially the dogs' papers, but even with that we have found a way round the daft rules.
I can't spend my life worrying. Same for our adult children.

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“Here we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush …” 🎵 🎶

FriedGreenTomatoes2

“Here we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush …” 🎵 🎶

It’s rather like being on a hamster wheel 🐹

Unhinged indeed. Trump? Reform? You cannot be serious.

Barleyfields

Unhinged indeed. Trump? Reform? You cannot be serious.

Reform is ahead of Labour and Conservatives in a couple of polls, according to The Spectator.

When it comes to a general election people will look at their manifesto (last time I looked they didn’t have one) and the calibre of their candidates.

Honestly you folk?
You call me ‘unhinged’?

How rude.
Unacceptable behaviour.

Can you imagine the opprobrium if I EVER called any of you that? Yet I’m just supposed to accept it.

You’re like mean girls in the playground. Just listen to yourselves.

Don't worry, I was called deranged the other day, though the poster did apologise!

FGT2 please do not take any notice

Casdon

My children are living their lives and looking forward too, and I would hope that’s what everybody does GrannyGravy13. That doesn’t mean they don’t have concerns about where the UK is headed, and that they won’t campaign for the UK to rejoin the EU. It’s not going to end with us.

It’s never going to happen ( rejoining) politicians know how divisive and bad for people the referendum was.

In real life nobody even talks about Brexit, it’s only obsessed people here and there on forums now.

People are now concerned just on the government and what policies are pushed through and the cost of living.

Grantanow

Brexit has been a total disaster. 60% of the public think it was a mistake and they are right. A disaster for small firms exporting to the EU, a disaster for workers who need free movement to work in the EU, bad for UK homeowners in France who now are limited to 90 days and a mess for students wanting to study or research in the EU. It has cast the UK adrift of our most important trading zone. The sooner we establish integrated relations with the EU the better.

I completely agree. It has been an unmitigated disaster..

Casdon

Most people think it’s been a disaster for the UK.
yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51500-few-britons-think-brexit-has-been-good-for-anything
The Independent also did an in-depth analysis a few weeks ago.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-cost-statistics-numbers-five-years-eu-b2689655.html

I agree Casdon