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Trade wars - how will it effect the UK?

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ayse Sun 02-Feb-25 13:17:16

It seems our government is currently sitting on the wall and trying to avoid becoming caught up in the current USA new tariffs and retaliation.

I’m fearful that this will put the cost of living up further. What do others think?

Tizliz Sun 02-Feb-25 13:20:05

It will kill our business as 70% of our sales are to USA, very worrying

Whitewavemark2 Sun 02-Feb-25 13:24:11

Tizliz

It will kill our business as 70% of our sales are to USA, very worrying

Well not 70%

Actually between 15 - 20% but make a difference.

I assume that we won’t sit back and let him walk over us if he involves the U.K. in a tariff war.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 02-Feb-25 13:25:26

Tizliz

It will kill our business as 70% of our sales are to USA, very worrying

Oh - sorry - the Penny has just dropped tizliz.

That is unfortunate. Here’s hoping trump won’t touch the U.K.

MaizieD Sun 02-Feb-25 13:28:58

This is what we import from the US. If we imposed tariffs on them to match those imposed on goods the US imports from us I'm not sure how much our cost of living would be affected in the short term.

The UK imported £19.9 billion of machinery and transport equipment imports from the United States in 2023, comprising 9.2% of all imports of this commodity (Figure 1). Machinery and transport equipment includes various components, including mechanical machinery, engines, aircraft and cars. The largest commodities imported were £5.5 billion of mechanical power generators (intermediate) and £3.1 billion of aircraft (Table 1).

The UK imported £18.7 billion of fuels from the United States in 2023, comprising 23.5% of all imports of this commodity. This primarily included £8.5 billion of crude oil (unrefined petroleum which is then refined to produce useable products such as petrol or diesel), and £6.6 billion of natural gas.

There were £7.8 billion of chemical imports from the United States in 2023, accounting for 11.2% of all imports of this commodity. Imports of medicinal and pharmaceutical products made up approximately half (£3.8 billion) of the UK's imports of chemicals from the United States. This includes medicines such as vitamins, antibiotics and vaccines as well as products such as bandages, wadding and gauze for use in medical, surgical or dental settings.

Details of our exports to the US can be found on this page, too. Perhaps someone else might be able to detail the implications for the UK? I would think that US tariffs would increase costs to US consumers, leading to a drop in demand for UK goods and services.

www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/articles/uktradewiththeunitedstates2023/2023

Casdon Sun 02-Feb-25 13:29:02

It’s going to make a difference worldwide. I think the government here is wise not to get directly involved until it impacts on the UK, because the big battles currently are between the US and Canada and Mexico. If he does escalate the tariffs to Europe and the UK, we need to look at where else we can source materials. Hopefully we can increase our trade links with Canada in particular, as that would help both countries.

Wyllow3 Sun 02-Feb-25 14:47:55

I don't understand enough to assess overall, but looking at the references article Maisie quotes it seems like there is an awful lot of "swaps" like cars going in both directions and stuff we can source elsewhere - I mean, bandages?

Luckygirl3 Sun 02-Feb-25 14:57:53

UK government needs to sit tight and play the long game. They are wise not to jump in.

Wyllow3 Sun 02-Feb-25 15:21:22

We should keep well back. Anyone keen to get closer may come to realise we'd not just be importing goods, but politics, too.

Ilovecheese Sun 02-Feb-25 15:40:39

Wyllow3

I don't understand enough to assess overall, but looking at the references article Maisie quotes it seems like there is an awful lot of "swaps" like cars going in both directions and stuff we can source elsewhere - I mean, bandages?

Maybe because of the cotton content of bandages.

Wyllow3 Sun 02-Feb-25 15:54:34

True. But would the US prefer we go to India....anyway, I hope it remains theoretical.

Casdon Sun 02-Feb-25 15:57:07

We’re a bit player I think. Europe as a whole isn’t though, and needs to look closer to home for everything we can.

Skydancer Sun 02-Feb-25 16:01:29

What I think about when I read about all this "stuff" that moves from country to country is the cost to the environment of extracting the metal, making the plastic etc etc to make it all.

BlueBelle Sun 02-Feb-25 16:14:23

Well I d rather do trade with Europe than USA especially while they are led by a maniac I don’t think Canada will take it lying down

BlessedArt Sun 02-Feb-25 16:27:49

I genuinely don’t believe the US has any intentions on keeping these tariffs in place beyond strong-arming more favorable trade agreements. Companies will absolutely pass costs back onto consumers, thus raising the cost of goods/services for the American public at a rate that won’t keep up with inflation. The U.S economy wouldn’t survive a huge increase the cost of living very long anymore than the countries it is trying to bully. I give this whole tariff clown show a few weeks.

Casdon Sun 02-Feb-25 16:32:14

Let’s hope you’re right BlessedArt.

pascal30 Sun 02-Feb-25 16:34:43

The Canadians are hitting back hard.. Good for them.. A bully needs strong opposition

Claremont Sun 02-Feb-25 17:35:45

Very difficult for UK- voluntarily lost easy access to massive, geographically close EU, and now with US in the balance. The only small deals done since 'B' have been in favour of the other party. Talk about up t'creek without t'paddle!

ayse Sun 02-Feb-25 17:41:45

I’m just hoping we stay out of it as much as possible. I certainly feel more like supporting Canada, Mexico and the EU right now but as we are not in the EU we still have a choice of sorts.

It seems that Trump believes that bullying the other countries will pay dividends. The question is to whom? Certainly not the USA citizens unless they are mega wealthy or citizens of other countries.

Just watching the news now! Very disturbing

Barleyfields Sun 02-Feb-25 18:10:14

We don’t yet know how it will affect (not effect) the UK. Trump may or may not impose tariffs on our exports to the US. Our exports to and imports from the US are pretty finely balanced. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s waiting for an invitation to a State visit, such are his ego and enjoyment of such occasions.

ayse Sun 02-Feb-25 18:34:50

Barleyfields

We don’t yet know how it will affect (not effect) the UK. Trump may or may not impose tariffs on our exports to the US. Our exports to and imports from the US are pretty finely balanced. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s waiting for an invitation to a State visit, such are his ego and enjoyment of such occasions.

Sorry! Written in haste

J52 Sun 02-Feb-25 18:49:28

“I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s waiting for an invitation to a State visit, such are his ego and enjoyment of such occasions.”

That could be our Trump card! Sorry couldn’t resist.

mae13 Sun 02-Feb-25 19:11:00

Brace yourself - prices ever upward, as usual. The Cost-of-Living crisis doesn't appear to have abated and in recent weeks I've noted coffee being hiked up beyond thd rate of inflation.
What's happened to Starmer's much trumpeted "Change"?

Casdon Sun 02-Feb-25 19:24:45

mae13 there is a worldwide coffee shortage, that’s why prices have risen above inflation. This was known at the end of the autumn last year, and it’s worldwide.

NotSpaghetti Sun 02-Feb-25 19:35:43

I agree Luckygirl3 -happy to wait.