Still told to 'get over it, it's done.

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Didn't share before as some of you complain about FB links.

Claremont I asked unthread if you had a link or source for the 11% please…

Doodledog

*A situation which makes it even more frustrating and inexplicable when the Labour leadership resolutely rejects any proposition from the EU which would bring the UK closer.*

Ah. Would that be ‘getting over it’? Or ignoring ’the will of the people’?

Would it ‘bring the country to its knees’, or ‘push the economy off a cliff’?

Is it ‘common sense’? Or ‘flying in the face of democracy’?

Does anyone know anything anymore?

What about the will of those of us who voted in back in the 70s. I don't understand why it is fine to ignore that but the out vote is sacrosanct.

I am glad for him- personally, I just would not be happy working with Saudi Arabia.

We were constantly told about a) majority was for Brexit - even it tiny, and that was 'democracy'. But now only 11% are in favour- 'democracy' has somehow become irrelevant.

We were constantly told that it was about 'Sovereignty' - despite having elected MEPs and sitting at top table making joint decisions, and being the only member with massive exceptions (Schengen and Sterling). And now all those who shouted 'Sovereignty' are quite happy to hand it all over to Trump, or others (would NOT wish the UK to be beholden to Saudis!). It is just bizarre.

Of course there is nothing I can do, personally- but we can put pressure on our PM and Government, to not roll over to Trump and instead consolitdate out relationship with the EU, not just commercially, but with security in mind in such difficult times.

MaizieD
^I really wouldn't bother to argue the toss, Claremont. just leave them to their feelings of superiority and their Patience Strong platitudes.

Wow! Catty in the extreme and inaccurate about PS.

At least we know that the Leave voters among them won't be in the least bit bothered about moving closer to the EU, even possibly rejoining.

And you know this how?

What we remainers have to accept and move on from is the inertia and the feelings of superiority that they would win anyway, exhibited by all those who didn’t bother to vote.

Patience Strong platitudes 😆
I'd rather adopt that attitude - than blow a gasket every 5 minutes about something I can do nothing about.
DS used to argue with me 4 or 5 years ago that his engineering company had lost workers and jobs in Europe due to Brexit. Now, the company has launched into Saudi Arabia and the projects are flowing in. Every cloud to quote a well known Milton metaphor.

MaizieD 😄 Do you now accept that the song Things Can Only Get Better was used as the campaign song for Labour when Blair swept to victory in 1997? You appear to be in denial about it.
It was never a Patience Strong platitude ( Mum used to love that calendar) not that I can take credit for it either.I seems obvious to me tho that things will improve economically even if it takes time as long as we don’t have more wars or a pandemic in the near future.

From what I have read, the EU countries are not doing well economically.

Claremont

Oreo

maddyone

Mamie

Well if we have to get over Brexit, then clearly people have to get over constantly complaining about the Labour government. I look forward to that.

The vote was nearly nine years ago. We left five years ago.
The Labour Party have been in power for seven months.
Spot the difference *Mamie? *

I can’t understand a poster making a thread about Brexit so long after the event.

Why not- with clear indications that it is a disaster, and that the vast majority (89%) now clearly realise it was not only a big mistake, but that they were definitely LIED to and that no plans were in place- the thing to do is to think of ways to go forwards, not to just accept it like lemmings.

'Just don't cling to a mistake just because you've been doing it for a long time'.

If you believe that you and your family are not affected at all, then I am amazed. Because we all are, not just small businesses.

I really wouldn't bother to argue the toss, Claremont. just leave them to their feelings of superiority and their Patience Strong platitudes.

At least we know that the Leave voters among them won't be in the least bit bothered about moving closer to the EU, even possibly rejoining. Because, you know, that's just life and we have to accept it and move on...

I would add, Mollygo ‘and please spare the rest of us’.

If you can’t get over it and you can’t do anything about it, you’re simply giving yourself added stress. Pharmaceutical and funeral firms will benefit, so they might see it as positive.

If that’s what you want to do, go ahead.

Barleyfields

That is being done is it not? Resetting (how I hate this latest buzzword) our relationship with Europe.

I don’t know how people are still so wound up about this unless they have a personal stake such as a business which exports to Europe, a second home there or a fishing business for example. I have none of those things and nor, I expect, do many of the moaners. And yes, I voted to remain. C’est la vie.

I suspect second homes 😉

Oreo

maddyone

Mamie

Well if we have to get over Brexit, then clearly people have to get over constantly complaining about the Labour government. I look forward to that.

The vote was nearly nine years ago. We left five years ago.
The Labour Party have been in power for seven months.
Spot the difference *Mamie? *

I can’t understand a poster making a thread about Brexit so long after the event.

Why not- with clear indications that it is a disaster, and that the vast majority (89%) now clearly realise it was not only a big mistake, but that they were definitely LIED to and that no plans were in place- the thing to do is to think of ways to go forwards, not to just accept it like lemmings.

'Just don't cling to a mistake just because you've been doing it for a long time'.

If you believe that you and your family are not affected at all, then I am amazed. Because we all are, not just small businesses.

Claremont

It would be tempting to shout 'we told you so' - but that wouldn't be very nice- nor would it achieve anything, would it.

But we don't have to accept the situation, lie back and think of England, we can put pressure on those in charge to do anything possible to try and slowly find ways forwards.

You don’t get it do you? No PM or government is now going to go back on the promise to leave and stay out of the EU.
Am sure Starmer will do his best to have a good rapprochement with EU leaders and pour oil on troubled waters, but he has red lines.

That is being done is it not? Resetting (how I hate this latest buzzword) our relationship with Europe.

I don’t know how people are still so wound up about this unless they have a personal stake such as a business which exports to Europe, a second home there or a fishing business for example. I have none of those things and nor, I expect, do many of the moaners. And yes, I voted to remain. C’est la vie.

MaizieD

Doodledog

‘Things can only get better’ was a line from a song, so a quote, not a cliche. Just saying 😉

If someone is going to use it as a cliché they're as well using it to illustrate a successful use of it 😆

You seem to have forgotten the Blair win and the song that went with it.It was so positive and high energy .

escaped

OK Pedants and Cliché Users alike.
Let's talk about the meaning of positivity on a higher level, and how it can be achieved. Seeing as the timing is apt, there's a book byViktor Franklchronicling his experiences as a prisoner inNazi concentration campsduring World War II. He describes how you can face suffering and turn it round to accept another cliché, that everything happens for a reason. No wallowing. A bit like Voltaire saying in Candide, you can find positivity, if only a tiny bit, in the worst of scenarios.

Which is exactly why Reeves has now had a u turn on positive thinking after the disastrous gloomy start Labour had.
Who on earth was advising them at the outset?

It would be tempting to shout 'we told you so' - but that wouldn't be very nice- nor would it achieve anything, would it.

But we don't have to accept the situation, lie back and think of England, we can put pressure on those in charge to do anything possible to try and slowly find ways forwards.

maddyone

Mamie

Well if we have to get over Brexit, then clearly people have to get over constantly complaining about the Labour government. I look forward to that.

The vote was nearly nine years ago. We left five years ago.
The Labour Party have been in power for seven months.
Spot the difference *Mamie? *

I can’t understand a poster making a thread about Brexit so long after the event.

Cossy

Whitewavemark2

We know that the courts upheld the allegation of fraud, corruption, overspend and other stuff by the vote leave group. But because it was merely an advisory vote they were never prosecuted.

So I’m not convinced that it can be called a democratic vote.

It certainly wasn’t a vote based solely on facts and the truth.

However, I’m with the “try and move forward positively brigade” (though it’s tough) and the “hope Starmer makes some decent trade deals brigade”

Tbh I’m still angry about the whole Brexit debacle! IMO, Johnson didn’t “get Brexit done”, we all “got done by Brexit”

So am I, totally. Shouting 'get over it' again and again, does not seem to be a positive forward move, however.

ELEVEN %!

MaizieD

Oreo

MaizieD

As time goes on ‘things can only get better’ to use another cliche😃

And we all know what happened to the Labour party when they used that cliché…

Yes, Tony Blair and New Labour won the GE twice didn’t they?

It was Neil Kinnock who lost after the triumphalist Conference.

The song Things Can Only Get Better was used by the Labour Party in 1997 when Tony Blair had a landslide victory.

With only 11%currently still thinking it was a positive thing for the UK, and with thread after thread complaining about rising prices, shortages of doctors and nurses, and worries about Trade Wars- it would be a lot more positive to acknowledge it has been a disaster, and make any possible attempts at redressing the situation, that continue to shout 'get over it'.

As said above, it would be very facile to just tell those who complain about Labour, the same thing. What positive a dialogue would that be.

Yes, spot the difference- and it does make all the difference. Brexit has been given every chance, and it just could not work. Labour and KS have only had a few months to try and redress the disasters of the past 14 years, and with empty coffers and massive debts. A BIG difference indeed.

Mamie

Well if we have to get over Brexit, then clearly people have to get over constantly complaining about the Labour government. I look forward to that.

The vote was nearly nine years ago. We left five years ago.
The Labour Party have been in power for seven months.
Spot the difference Mamie?

* Victor Frankl
Sorry the words ran into each other when I went to search his name.

OK Pedants and Cliché Users alike.
Let's talk about the meaning of positivity on a higher level, and how it can be achieved. Seeing as the timing is apt, there's a book byViktor Franklchronicling his experiences as a prisoner inNazi concentration campsduring World War II. He describes how you can face suffering and turn it round to accept another cliché, that everything happens for a reason. No wallowing. A bit like Voltaire saying in Candide, you can find positivity, if only a tiny bit, in the worst of scenarios.