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Kier Starmer & voice coach during tier 4 lockdown

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Mt61 Mon 03-Feb-25 17:16:14

How hypocritical of Kier Starmer to have had a voice coach over for lessons during
Tier 4 lockdowns on Christmas Eve!

I am absolutely raging mad that I stuck fast to these lockdown rules, that I hardly saw my parents during these lockdowns, didn’t notice my dad’s dementia because mum always came to the door, couldn’t attend my Aunts funeral, ended up with severe depression & he’s got the gall to put this woman down as a key worker, I thought that was for emergency services, care workers, & shop staff?
What was so urgent that he needed a voice coach on Christmas Eve, he wasn’t even PM?
To think that they gave BJ so much flack, it’s truly unbelievable 😩

Allira Wed 05-Feb-25 12:08:58

maddyone

Doodledog

I think he’s probably fed up with people picking holes in everything he does and never recognising either the scale of the problems he inherited or the steps he is taking to improve the country. I would be ratty too.

It goes with the job. If he can’t deal with it perhaps he needs to find another job.

I doubt that he has time to read what his detractors say about him in the media, apart from a warning that something nasty might be about to hit the fan eg re voice coaching. Then he'll just tell someone else to deal with it.

bathsalts Wed 05-Feb-25 12:01:19

Are there Barleyfields in Norfolk?

Doodledog Wed 05-Feb-25 11:19:50

I suspect that a lot of the targets around things like EVs ,heat pumps etc are more to encourage people who are planning to replace things to consider getting the more ecologically sensible versions than to force anyone's hand. People can only spend what they have, so insisting that everyone forks out £30k for a bottom of the range EV, or £15k for a heat pump just won't work, and people won't stand for being told they can't have transport or heating and hot water.

Whether this approach will work is anyone's guess. It might nudge things along and improve developments in the newer technology, I suppose. We will need a new boiler in the short-medium term. The plan is to hang on as long as we can to the old one, but to replace it with a gas one before it's too late, so that with luck we will avoid the need for a heat pump before they are cheaper, smaller and more efficient. The same applies to cars - we currently have a diesel one that has an Adblue system to reduce emissions, and will put off replacing it until we absolutely have to, in the hope that by then there will be a better infrastructure for EVs. Even then, we might buy a second hand car that runs on petrol or diesel, as they won't be outlawed for the foreseeable future.

Barleyfields Wed 05-Feb-25 11:00:17

I suspect Labour have no idea how many people are totally reliant on oil, don’t even have a mains gas supply available, and live in homes totally unsuitable to bolt an air source heat pump onto.

Cossy Wed 05-Feb-25 10:58:24

LizzieDrip

Barleyfields that’s your opinion, to which you’re entitled.

My opinion differs, to which I’m entitled.

That made me smile Barleyfields

There’s more than plenty of evidence that during the 14 years of Tory reign of lies, wrong-doing, duplicity and incompetence, yet stalwart supporters still won’t admit anything Johnson and crew did was wrong.

Many Labour supporters on here have criticised the removal of WFA and other policies, however no one appears to own up to the damage caused by 14 years of Tory rule or the Herculean task any new govt would be facing.

Honestly, it’s utterly relentless, I don’t recall ANYONE giving the Tories such a hard time in their first 6 months!

Mollygo Wed 05-Feb-25 10:47:06

As regards their environmental policies and their rush to net zero - they are a bunch of urbanites who have absolutely no clue about the realities of life for so many who rely on fossil fuels to heat their homes, cook and run their vehicles; that reliance isn’t going to go away.

No, but our net zero will be achieved at further expense to those who can’t afford to replace cars with EVs, or replace heating systems, by paying for imports from countries who are producing the fuels, thus contributing to pollution.

Net zero achievement claims should be made to include showing imports from other countries.

And then . . .
There’s the third runway to provide room for more pollution.
Initially, it might ease the congestion at Heathrow, but soon it will be equally congested by extra flights taking advantage of the extra runway and increasing pollution.
Its the story of motorways all over again.

Barleyfields Wed 05-Feb-25 10:32:37

LizzieDrip

Barleyfields that’s your opinion, to which you’re entitled.

My opinion differs, to which I’m entitled.

Perhaps you would explain the basis on which you have formed your opinion Lizzie, and how you consider mine to be wrong, as you evidently do.

maddyone Wed 05-Feb-25 10:30:58

Doodledog

I think he’s probably fed up with people picking holes in everything he does and never recognising either the scale of the problems he inherited or the steps he is taking to improve the country. I would be ratty too.

It goes with the job. If he can’t deal with it perhaps he needs to find another job.

LizzieDrip Wed 05-Feb-25 10:30:34

Barleyfields that’s your opinion, to which you’re entitled.

My opinion differs, to which I’m entitled.

Barleyfields Wed 05-Feb-25 10:28:31

eazybee

Labour mounted a sustained campaign of vilification against the Conservative party and in particular, its leader. Now the Labour leader is proving to be duplicitous and a liar, and his supporters seem unable to recognise the truth.
Strange, that.

Hear, hear. 👏👏👏

Barleyfields Wed 05-Feb-25 10:27:44

Lizziedrip, some of those items in your link are not what I would call ‘good stuff’. For example, the Employment Rights Bill will, if enacted, cause real problems for businesses and thus for investment and growth, and improved security for tenants will likely result in a lot of private landlords selling up. I have seen no indication that those in government have any experience in business.

As regards their environmental policies and their rush to net zero - they are a bunch of urbanites who have absolutely no clue about the realities of life for so many who rely on fossil fuels to heat their homes, cook and run their vehicles; that reliance isn’t going to go away.

And their planning reforms and mandatory housing targets are not going to produce the housing which is actually needed (social housing for rent or for purchase at genuinely affordable prices) because local authorities and housing associations don’t have the funding to buy it, ergo it won’t be built.

eazybee Wed 05-Feb-25 10:22:20

Labour mounted a sustained campaign of vilification against the Conservative party and in particular, its leader. Now the Labour leader is proving to be duplicitous and a liar, and his supporters seem unable to recognise the truth.
Strange, that.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 05-Feb-25 10:10:14

Cossy

GrannyGravy13

As another SME owner I am not aware of any good stuff

As a householder, I do not consider rising Council Tax (KS is on record promising no increases in the run up to the election) along with rising water bills ^good stuff^

Without wishing to be antagonistic, but water bills rising are nothing to do with any govt! Water and Energy should never have been privatised.

Perhaps the current PM should have thought of that before he made his pre-election promises.

The environment secretary was doing the interview round this morning, even he couldn’t remember what had been promised.

LizzieDrip Wed 05-Feb-25 10:09:46

For information:

eastangliabylines.co.uk/politics/the-first-6-months-what-has-labour-actually-done/

I posted this on a different thread recently - perhaps some didn’t see it.

Barleyfields Wed 05-Feb-25 10:08:56

I think he needs another course of lessons escaped. Whatever he learned must have gone in one ear and out the other.

Cossy Wed 05-Feb-25 10:07:20

GrannyGravy13

As another SME owner I am not aware of any good stuff

As a householder, I do not consider rising Council Tax (KS is on record promising no increases in the run up to the election) along with rising water bills ^good stuff^

Without wishing to be antagonistic, but water bills rising are nothing to do with any govt! Water and Energy should never have been privatised.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 05-Feb-25 10:02:03

As another SME owner I am not aware of any good stuff

As a householder, I do not consider rising Council Tax (KS is on record promising no increases in the run up to the election) along with rising water bills good stuff

Sparklefizz Wed 05-Feb-25 09:57:55

Barleyfields

What ‘good stuff’ has this government done that I should be acknowledging?

This current personal attack on Starmer is far from ridiculous. The indications are that the lockdown measures the rest of us adhered to, and which ruined Christmas for many, were broken.

Yes, I was thinking that. What is the so-called "good stuff" ?

escaped Wed 05-Feb-25 09:56:27

Doodledog

I think he’s probably fed up with people picking holes in everything he does and never recognising either the scale of the problems he inherited or the steps he is taking to improve the country. I would be ratty too.

I agree. It is a godforsaken task for anyone to take over. I would be ratty too, but I would recognise that I needed to exude confidence or humility in such a way for the country to take to me, or to believe me! That's what these kind of communication lessons are all about.

Barleyfields Wed 05-Feb-25 09:52:32

What ‘good stuff’ has this government done that I should be acknowledging?

This current personal attack on Starmer is far from ridiculous. The indications are that the lockdown measures the rest of us adhered to, and which ruined Christmas for many, were broken.

MissAdventure Wed 05-Feb-25 09:49:31

I thought this was about the voice coach.

Much like miss Rayner's council house and her green trouser suit, it seems.

Iam64 Wed 05-Feb-25 09:48:31

Doodledog

I think he’s probably fed up with people picking holes in everything he does and never recognising either the scale of the problems he inherited or the steps he is taking to improve the country. I would be ratty too.

I’m fed up with people criticising everything and not acknowledging the good stuff. The personal attacks on Starmer are ridiculous

Mt61 Wed 05-Feb-25 09:47:46

Doodledog

I think he’s probably fed up with people picking holes in everything he does and never recognising either the scale of the problems he inherited or the steps he is taking to improve the country. I would be ratty too.

I would say taking the WFA away was one of his biggest mistakes.
All that they promised not to do, they have back tracked & did it anyway.

Homestead62 Wed 05-Feb-25 09:43:10

I don't have any knowledge of this story, but what I will say is after everything that has come out re the Pandemic, I will never stop seeing my family again for anyone. The lockdowns in Scotland, in my opinion went on for far too long. Fair enough at the beginning until you know what you are dealing with. These lockdowns did untold damage.

Doodledog Wed 05-Feb-25 09:41:36

I think he’s probably fed up with people picking holes in everything he does and never recognising either the scale of the problems he inherited or the steps he is taking to improve the country. I would be ratty too.