Trump and Musk, so it continues

what makes me even so much more angry, worried and sick- is that so many support them, admire them, want them as leaders. Some right here, on GN.

I wonder what it would take for his supporters in this country to consider that he had crossed the line?

I have seen a cartoon in which a chortling Kim Il Jong declares " Hee hee, so now I'm no longer the weirdest leader of a country.."

Whitewavemark2

I wonder what it would take for his supporters in this country to consider that he had crossed the line?

After the capital riots I fear that there is nothing he can do to make any of his followers supporting him.

I’m just watching Channel 4 news and it simply seems Trump, Vance and Musk can literally do anything at all they like.

Anyone who thinks this is fine and isn’t scared sh****ss is frankly deranged!

Claremont

what makes me even so much more angry, worried and sick- is that so many support them, admire them, want them as leaders. Some right here, on GN.

It’s actually beyond belief and I feel the exactly the same as you! 😢😢

Cossy

Claremont

what makes me even so much more angry, worried and sick- is that so many support them, admire them, want them as leaders. Some right here, on GN.

It’s actually beyond belief and I feel the exactly the same as you! 😢😢

Yes, and I meant the U.K. not USA .

I can remember a time when I simply could not understand how Hitler achieved what he did, because I couldn’t believe that anyone living in a civilised country would give legitimacy to such behaviour.

Now I understand😢😢

Has anyone watched the BBC documentary called The Elon Musk Show.. It is a 4 part series about how he developed all his businesses and shows an alarming change in his personality at the end,,
There is also a Channel 4 programme called Can Elon Musk Rule The World.. They are both extremely disturbing because Donald Trump seems to share his new vision.. And has enabled him to have billions of government funding...

Well worth watching..

It feels like we are witnessing the start of something truly horrible.

If Reform with the next election the UK will become a pound shop version of Trump's America.

Churchview, you made me laugh when most of this makes me want to cry ( or scream)

He’s President in the US not here, and whatever you or I think of him, millions and millions of US citizens preferred him to Kamala Harris.

Whitewavemark2

Cossy

Claremont

what makes me even so much more angry, worried and sick- is that so many support them, admire them, want them as leaders. Some right here, on GN.

It’s actually beyond belief and I feel the exactly the same as you! 😢😢

Yes, and I meant the U.K. not USA .

I can remember a time when I simply could not understand how Hitler achieved what he did, because I couldn’t believe that anyone living in a civilised country would give legitimacy to such behaviour.

Now I understand😢😢

What behaviour?
I do wish posters wouldn’t keep bringing Hitler into every debate on forums.
There’s nothing in the UK to compare to Germany in the 30’s even if one of two posters keep trying to make out there is.

The next election in the UK is over four years away. I am convinced that things in this country will improve with the current government. Did we really think that six months was long enough for the 14 year nightmare left by the Tories to be dealt with? By 2029 I’m hoping that Reform and others of their ilk will be a mere footnote in this country’s history.

I would expect trump’s actions to get worse. While half of America are reeling and shellshocked, I hope the Democrats are making plans. America and indeed the rest of the world, cannot allow trump and his little friends to drag the world down to their level.

The Democrats need to be working out who to support for the next election even tho it’s four years off.Somebody younger, dynamic with a clean background and male as I don’t think the US are ready for a woman as President just yet.

I didn’t know Trump was running for leadership of the UK. That’s news to me.

I haven't even looked at his antics today. It was nice to feel normal for a few hours.

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

Cossy

Claremont

what makes me even so much more angry, worried and sick- is that so many support them, admire them, want them as leaders. Some right here, on GN.

It’s actually beyond belief and I feel the exactly the same as you! 😢😢

Yes, and I meant the U.K. not USA .

I can remember a time when I simply could not understand how Hitler achieved what he did, because I couldn’t believe that anyone living in a civilised country would give legitimacy to such behaviour.

Now I understand😢😢

What behaviour?
I do wish posters wouldn’t keep bringing Hitler into every debate on forums.
There’s nothing in the UK to compare to Germany in the 30’s even if one of two posters keep trying to make out there is.

I wasn’t talking about the U.K. - what on earth brought you to that conclusion.

I am echoing what is being said by such people as 5 star generals, experienced politicians and academics in the USA .

I’m not convinced that you know better than them.

nanna8

I didn’t know Trump was running for leadership of the UK. That’s news to me.

How’s the election going in Australia then?

I always think every three years is a tad excessive - and of course Australia has its own murky past and present regarding the original people.

There is certainly a good deal of underlying racism isn’t there?

Just disgusted.

I'm expecting civil unrest, but in terms of new Democrat leadership it shouldn't/can't be rushed. There are Democrat states and democrat leaders in both houses of congress of course and margins are small there.

A lot depends on how long all Republicans are prepared to continue to support the monsters.

Civil unrest is coming. The problem is, the people all have to be on the same page in order to fix this. And we aren't. And we know it.

There is literally nothing we can do right now to stop this. It is going to have to hurt a whole lot worse in order to get MAGA in the right side of history.

The next big fight is coming. The government is only funded through March 15 I believe.

There is also a special election on April 1st for 3 House seats. Those are republican areas, but if he keeps this up AND shuts down the government, they may flip those seats.

That would give dems control of the House.

Trumps budget should come out before then. We should have a pretty good idea of it's popularity before then. I have seen some of what they want to cut and ot won't be popular even with the Republicans when it happens.

His popularity rating is still very high though, which may save him this time.

The mid-terms are more hopeful maybe?

We won't make it to the midterms IMO.

Farmers just lost billions of dollars in funding and workers aren't showing up. Food will be scarce at some point.

Musk is trying to put 2 million workers on unemployment.

This is an economic disaster waiting to happen. People have children to feed. When they can't any longer, it will all begin.

Whitewavemark2

nanna8

I didn’t know Trump was running for leadership of the UK. That’s news to me.

How’s the election going in Australia then?

I always think every three years is a tad excessive - and of course Australia has its own murky past and present regarding the original people.

There is certainly a good deal of underlying racism isn’t there?

Not particularly racist these days. So many different nationalities have made Australia home and the vast majority get on with each other no matter what religious beliefs , or lack of. Where we live there are very few indigenous people though up north there are a lot more. They do have issues with alcohol and child abuse but there are reasons for this as you know.Social workers are not allowed to place the children with outsiders so they are often sent back to abusive situations. I know this first hand but it is something not spoken of. Like the gangs in the UK I suppose.

”I can remember a time when I simply could not understand how Hitler achieved what he did, because I couldn’t believe that anyone living in a civilised country would give legitimacy to such behaviour”

Me too WW.

I’m currently watching the series about Mussolini’s rise to power. It’s frightening and eye-opening … a cautionary tale perhaps?

He was a very powerful speaker - could certainly command a room; a bully; power mad; manipulative; a serial adulterer; destroyed anyone who disagreed with him; loved the attention and influence; portrayed himself as a man of the people; ruled by fear; surrounded himself with yes men - his useful idiots; showed no empathy for human life.

Mm, interesting🤔