Chicken nuggets……..strugglin g to believe this!

As Judge Judy is famous for saying 'if it doesn't make sense it's not true.'
And she is a judge.
Would rather believe this than buy into this kind of baloney.

How quick people are to jump to judgement without knowing all the details, including actually reading the judgment given.

So much easier to lean back into prejudices and stereotypes.

Esmay

Cossy -
I'll meet you every day for a cream tea -perhaps in one of the libraries .

Perhaps cocktails - later ?

I don't want to argue over the emerald tiaras -I prefer the Cambridge or the Greville ,but I'm willing to lend them to you .

That seems very fair and I adore both cream teas and cocktails, and indeed libraries.

🥂🍸🍸🍹🍹🧉🧉

Babs03

As Judge Judy is famous for saying 'if it doesn't make sense it's not true.'
And she is a judge.
Would rather believe this than buy into this kind of baloney.

Oh and baloney is also one of her fav sayings too 😂😂😂

I don’t think our judges say ‘oh baloney.’

maddyone

I don’t think our judges say ‘oh baloney.’

I don’t believe anyone said they did?

No, I was commenting on the joke.

MaizieD

I suspect, SilverBrook that separating the family might trigger the 'right to a family life' clause.

Yes. That was what the original judge considered.

12. In [39] to [50], the judge decided that both “stay” and “go” scenarios would be unduly harsh for C. Accordingly, she allowed the appeal on human rights grounds (right to respect for family life). It is on this part of her decision only that the appeal before us turns.

But ...

a. there is no formal diagnosis of C’s educational needs; and

b. there is no professional assessment of whether those additional needs could be met in Albania, beyond the appellant’s (and A’s) assertion that they cannot.

The judge had not explained why she accepted the expertise of the report writer, a trainee educational psychologist, nor why she placed weight on claimed educational difficulties without any formal diagnosis of learning difficulties. It was not open to the judge to conclude that C would face ‘very great problems’ in Albania in the absence of any evidence of what services were available to him there.

In summary, it seems she just took everyone at their word.

maddyone

No, I was commenting on the joke.

Oooops 😂😂

No problem Cossy, I suppose I was a bit dry.
Realistically I don’t really know what to make of this story. I expect it’s all been embroidered by the media.

My fault for quoting JJ, love the word 'baloney' but is not said by any of our judges, though am sure this could soon gain credence with some, this is how misinformation begins am afraid.

For anyone who’s interested, there’s a programme on Channel 4 tonight called Go Back Where You Came From. It’s about Syrians in Lebanon, hoping to get to Europe.
I’m not watching tonight as I want to watch the second episode of Unforgotten, but I may watch on catch up later in the week.

Haven't seen anything about it but, from what's been discussed here, it seems like another of those "click-bait stories" which are thrown around in order to stir up conversation (and sell newspapers/Internet subscriptions). Much of the story will probably be reported out of context and a great part of it left out altogether. As a consequence, a lot of what people say about it will proceed from imagination and speculation rather than solid evidence. Probably best not to get outraged over things we don't know much about - or actually find out what we can and then get outraged if necessary.

maddyone

For anyone who’s interested, there’s a programme on Channel 4 tonight called Go Back Where You Came From. It’s about Syrians in Lebanon, hoping to get to Europe.
I’m not watching tonight as I want to watch the second episode of Unforgotten, but I may watch on catch up later in the week.

It’s about six UK civilians.

Three go to Syria, three go to Somalia. They then travel the routes migrants take.

They are in armoured cars, with armed guards and fixers all the time.

What is it Trumps saying? Who’s eating carpets and dogs?

Cats and dogs, sorry slip of the middle finger

Bonnybanko

What is it Trumps saying? Who’s eating carpets and dogs?

That made me laugh. I thought the accusation of people eating cats and dogs was crazy but carpets 😂

GrannyGravy13

maddyone

For anyone who’s interested, there’s a programme on Channel 4 tonight called Go Back Where You Came From. It’s about Syrians in Lebanon, hoping to get to Europe.
I’m not watching tonight as I want to watch the second episode of Unforgotten, but I may watch on catch up later in the week.

It’s about six UK civilians.

Three go to Syria, three go to Somalia. They then travel the routes migrants take.

They are in armoured cars, with armed guards and fixers all the time.

Perhaps they should take the six, dump them somewhere with just the clothes on their backs, but not until they have been thoroughly traumatised through living in a town being bombed regulalry and with unlicensed militias roaming the streets. Then give them as many resources as the average desperate refugee has, and leave them to make the journey to Calais as best they can.. Just ring them once a day to see how they are doing.

maddyone

No problem Cossy, I suppose I was a bit dry.
Realistically I don’t really know what to make of this story. I expect it’s all been embroidered by the media.

I agree

Babs03

My fault for quoting JJ, love the word 'baloney' but is not said by any of our judges, though am sure this could soon gain credence with some, this is how misinformation begins am afraid.

Not your fault at all, absolute baloney my dear

The case is revealed in court documents, one of34,169 outstanding court appeals.It concerns Klevis Disha, 39, an illegal immigrant arriving in 2001 as a 15 year old unaccompanied child, under a false name and claiming to have been born in Yugoslavia.
His asylum claim was rejected but in 2007 he acquired UK citizenship. He met his Albanian partner in 2006 and they had two daughters and a son.
2017 jailed for two years for being in possession of criminally obtained £250,000 cash. On release ordered to be deported and stripped of UK citizen ship as it had been acquired through deception.
Dishna appealed and judge at lower-grade immigration tribunal ruled it would be harsh for his son to remain in UK or return with him to Albania. Centred on son's special needs, of which thetre is no official diagnosis but supported by evidence from trainee Ed. Psych and a neighbour and family friend. Difficulties with emotional regulation, ^independence, reading and writing, also sensory issues with some clothing and food.
Dishna's appeal granted but judge in a senior court disagreed that the boy's needs could not be met in Albania, quoting the only example why the boy could not go to Albania was'he will not eat the type of chicken nuggets that are available abroad.'
Case was remitted to be reheard; ongoing. MeanwhileAnother criminal remains in our country.
But so much easier to believe it is made up by social media.

eazybee

^The case is revealed in court documents, one of34,169 outstanding court appeals.It concerns Klevis Disha, 39, an illegal immigrant arriving in 2001 as a 15 year old unaccompanied child, under a false name and claiming to have been born in Yugoslavia.^
His asylum claim was rejected but in 2007 he acquired UK citizenship. He met his Albanian partner in 2006 and they had two daughters and a son.
2017 jailed for two years for being in possession of criminally obtained £250,000 cash. On release ordered to be deported and stripped of UK citizen ship as it had been acquired through deception.
Dishna appealed and judge at lower-grade immigration tribunal ruled it would be harsh for his son to remain in UK or return with him to Albania. Centred on son's special needs, of which thetre is no official diagnosis but supported by evidence from trainee Ed. Psych and a neighbour and family friend. Difficulties with emotional regulation, ^independence, reading and writing, also sensory issues with some clothing and food.
Dishna's appeal granted but judge in a senior court disagreed that the boy's needs could not be met in Albania, quoting the only example why the boy could not go to Albania was'he will not eat the type of chicken nuggets that are available abroad.'
Case was remitted to be reheard; ongoing. MeanwhileAnother criminal remains in our country.
But so much easier to believe it is made up by social media.

I don’t think any of us thought the case was “made up”. We were questioning the validity of “chicken nuggets” being the sole reason for the appeal.

I agree this man should deported, as does Starmer it appears. According to various sources on T’internet.

Someone did tell me this but thought there must be much ore to the story.

Whenever there is a case like this there are so many voices raised, saying things like 'No, not true' and implying it's a kind of propaganda. Arguments that take the view that far too many people are coming here and staying here, with slender or no justification, can thereby be trivialised. But you only have to walk the streets of somewhere like Bradford to know that something is going on that is not protective of this culture, or the best interests of its citizens, whatever kind of chicken nuggets are being served.

undines, I did not say that this story was untrue.
I said that man-stays- because -of -his -cat story is untrue: because it is.