Next step in overriding female rights!

eazybee

Upton is a male, biologically and in law.

What he is not is a gentleman, one who never knowingly causes offence to others..

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Iam64

eazybee

Upton is a male, biologically and in law.

What he is not is a gentleman, one who never knowingly causes offence to others..

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terfisaslur.com/

Some trans-women's social-media voices -going full-misogyny...

It makes very grim viewing, be warned. The level of violence that these TRAs fantasise about inflicting on TERFS is astonishing. And very typical of enraged men when they don't get their own way.

Quite a few mentions of what they'd like to do with their "girl-dicks" to punish women, too.

... and these men identify as women ???

PS I'm not suggesting Dr Upton thinks like this - it's separate from that case. I'm highlighting what women are really up against in this battle. And it's misogyny.

What stops me being 6ft tall because I say I am ( I am 5, 3).
It is funny that those who constantly talk about misinformation on social media, embrace this belief system.

Lovely isn’t it Dickens 🤬
How have things come to this?

Rosie51

8 billion people currently on this earth and every last one of them gestated in the body of a woman in her uterus. Not one gestated in the body of a person with a penis and testes. Does that indicate a pattern? Maybe defines two types of people? We could call them sexes. Coincidentally, or maybe not, the same system works for every other mammal. For the avoidance of doubt, clownfish which can change their sex are fish not mammals.

A very tiny percentage of people are born with a DSD (difference of sexual development) but even these are sex specific and do not in any way invalidate that there are two and only two sexes which are immutable.

Professor Robert Winston has even declared the reality of two immutable sexes on TV several times. He is regarded as a world expert, and yet PoliticsNerd you seem to prefer the reasoning of Upton?

Where did I say I "preferred" any particular view Rosie?

Where did you say you didn’t prefer any particular view PN?

The hearing for Sandie Peggie scheduled for this Friday has been cancelled according to various people on X.

Mollygo

Where did you say you didn’t prefer any particular view PN?

It's not usually a common expectation to have someone declare a complete lack of preference. Discussions frequently involve the consideration and evaluation of different viewpoints, which doesn't necessarily require taking a side.

Could you clarify the purpose of asking that?"

PoliticsNerd

Rosie51

8 billion people currently on this earth and every last one of them gestated in the body of a woman in her uterus. Not one gestated in the body of a person with a penis and testes. Does that indicate a pattern? Maybe defines two types of people? We could call them sexes. Coincidentally, or maybe not, the same system works for every other mammal. For the avoidance of doubt, clownfish which can change their sex are fish not mammals.

A very tiny percentage of people are born with a DSD (difference of sexual development) but even these are sex specific and do not in any way invalidate that there are two and only two sexes which are immutable.

Professor Robert Winston has even declared the reality of two immutable sexes on TV several times. He is regarded as a world expert, and yet PoliticsNerd you seem to prefer the reasoning of Upton?

Where did I say I "preferred" any particular view Rosie?

I suspect you're just trying to play games. Not once have you questioned Upton and his claims.

Your reply to Mollygo
PoliticsNerd
Interesting. Why do you think "he isn't"? What is it that stops this person being what they say they are?

You've studiously avoided any of my references to the superior knowledge of Robert Winston. Are you disputing the rest of my post you quoted? You really do give the impression of a science denier.

Thanks Rosie51.
PN asked why do I think he isn’t?
I don’t claim to think anything about him, so I decided it didn’t warrant an answer.

Mollygo Well PN has been told several times that it's Upton's male biological sex that stops him being female, but apparently can't assimilate that.

I appreciate your perspective Rosie51, but you seem to be missing the point of a constructive discussion.

*You directly accuse me of bad faith, science denial, and avoiding the core arguments.
*You imply intellectual inferiority by highlighting the "superior knowledge" of others and questioning my understanding.
*Your tone suggests impatience with my questions.
*You show a complete disregard for my point if view, presumably because it doesn't agree with yours, and the suggestion of a need to "avoid" questions shows you have closed your mind to differing views.

I am not trying to play games or dismiss the claims of experts like Robert Winston. At this point I neither agree or disagree with them. I don't have enough information to make that decision. I doubt if anyone on here does. Asking questions is my way of trying to understand the complexities of this topic.

Instead of seeing my inquiries as avoidance, perhaps see them as an opportunity for deeper conversation. I’m genuinely interested in discussing why certain arguments resonate with those on this thread.

PN, you want a discussion about why we should accept a male lying that he is a female, being happy to make women feel uncomfortable, or take up female safe spaces, or spout waffle like sex is nebulous? Go ahead.
Enough people have posted the views on this subject already.
You have posted your views.
What would you like to add to the discussion?
I’d like to know if you think we should accept all lies, or only those told or acted by TIM when using the lie to the detriment of females?

I am not trying to play games or dismiss the claims of experts like Robert Winston. At this point I neither agree or disagree with them. I don't have enough information to make that decision. I doubt if anyone on here does. Asking questions is my way of trying to understand the complexities of this topic.

Why do you call Dr Winston's statements of facts claims?

You can agree or disagree with him but the information is out there if you care to do some research.
There is nothing complex about the fact that biological sex in mammals is immutable. Nor can a human child become a cat, an adult a llama.

There may be many permutations of what people perceive as their gender or even what mammal they believe they may be but that is their choice.
It does not make it a fact that their sex has changed, it is just their preferred gender.

Well put Allira.

I think you might be right about the games too.

PN I am not trying to play games or dismiss the claims of experts like Robert Winston. At this point I neither agree or disagree with them. I don't have enough information to make that decision. I doubt if anyone on here does. Asking questions is my way of trying to understand the complexities of this topic.

I am not so arrogant to think that I as a layman can challenge the lifetime's work of a specialist like Sir Robert Winston. In the same way when I had my latest bout of cancer I felt my oncologist's experience of 30+ years of experience in the field vastly outweighed my layman's knowledge. (This despite my 3 variations of cancer versus his not ever being personally afflicted) I think if you were really totally honest you'd admit that no amount of evidence would ever be enough. Your sympathies lie with the transgender doctor not the biological females affected. Robert Winston is regarded as one of the leading experts in the field, if his evidence isn't enough for you then I doubt such evidence exists. That's your choice and while I can respect your right to hold such views I cannot in honesty respect those views. 'None so blind as those that will not see' springs to mind. I'm still not convinced this isn't some indulgent gameplay from you. It will certainly affect how I view your reasoning and opinions on the political threads and elsewhere. I don't expect that to trouble you for so much as a nanosecond.

Does anyone remember Volver who expressed similar interest in understanding the complexities of this topic? Turned out her lack of knowledge was fabricated since she eventually revealed she had friends or was it relatives that were transgender. I'm getting very similar vibes.

Mollygo

PN, you want a discussion about why we should accept a male lying that he is a female, being happy to make women feel uncomfortable, or take up female safe spaces, or spout waffle like sex is nebulous? Go ahead.
Enough people have posted the views on this subject already.
You have posted your views.
What would you like to add to the discussion?
I’d like to know if you think we should accept all lies, or only those told or acted by TIM when using the lie to the detriment of females?

No Molly, I'm sorry you find my posts so difficult to understand. My fault if you can't.

Rosie51

Does anyone remember Volver who expressed similar interest in understanding the complexities of this topic? Turned out her lack of knowledge was fabricated since she eventually revealed she had friends or was it relatives that were transgender. I'm getting very similar vibes.

Absolutely. I’ve been thinking that for a while. Same reluctance to answer direct questions.
PN I don’t find your posts or your attitude difficult to understand. I do understand your reluctance to answer.

This thread is about a man who pretends he is a woman and victimises a female who dares to object to him using his fantasy to the detriment of the very beings he is pretending to be.
Once again, a male deciding that his rights override those of females.

I well remember Volver. A person who would argue about anything, not just this topic. I thought she'd gone.

Aveline, the poster using the name Volver has gone……..

Galaxy

What stops me being 6ft tall because I say I am ( I am 5, 3).
It is funny that those who constantly talk about misinformation on social media, embrace this belief system.

I wish I'd known that I could simply choose to identify as a 6ft tall skinny supermodel...
(Sorry, just trying to lighten the mood a little after all the arguing for the sake of arguing!)

Yes, the person who liked to start an argument to promote supposedly superior abilities.
Different tack?

I'm really not sure these continuous personal attacks, simply because I don't agree outright with your bias on this subject, are getting us anywhere, or are within the ethos of the forum.

Mankind has changed a great deal since we first appeared on Earth – arguably our biggest, most fantastical change. It is fascinating to contemplate where we may go in the future.

Nature offers constant changes within every species; some continue to thrive, while others fail because they are limited in some way. People either develop or don't develop certain conditions because genes are passed down. If a person thrives because of those changes, those genes will continue. There are also in-utero disasters, some of which end life early, and some that can be lived with.

I have no idea if this is relevant to any of those questioning their sex but neither do you or anyone else at this point in time. Being sure of anything shuts down the enquiring mind. Being sure of anything without proof makes fools of us.

Your credo seems to be "Don't ask, don't question, dont challenge our absolutist thinking. ". I truly hope I never reach that stage in life.

That’s such a funny post PN.

It supports your bias, whilst denying anyone else’s.

Of course nature changes, but changing it by cutting off bits, adding bits or simply identifying as something you are not, and using that identification in a way which harms others is not nature evolving.

People’s willingness or unwillingness to accept lies is also evolving.
There are only two biological sexes, and sex is immutable.

I am not and will never be a 2m leggy blonde, but saying I am, harms no one except me, because I can never be what I want to be.

On the other hand, cloning someone’s identity, claiming to be them, dressing like them and demanding to be accepted as them is harmful.