Next step in overriding female rights!

Absolutely true Mollygo.

Sandie Peggie has been called to a misconduct meeting this coming Friday. She has been told/warned that this may lead to dismissal.
Management at NHS Fife have totally lost the plot, you really couldn’t make this up.

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Oh that's just vindictive of them, they've truly lost their minds.

I think NHS Fife have shot themselves in the foot with this move with this move, to be honest. They're literally stomping all over the tribunal with hob-nailed boots! This could backfire on them big time.

Someone on twitter said, if she's dismissed then the findings of the tribunal don't need to be adhered to. I don't know how much of that is accurate though. It's a very bad look for NHS Fife. I believe Sandie is taking legal advice, so isn't taking this lying down

Why do those who don't accept that sex is a biological fact always claim they are being 'attacked' when people disagree with them?

We've seen this time and time again over the years, and it is simply not true. More people believe that sex is immutable than don't, so someone claiming that it an option based on 'feelings' that they can never define are highly likely to run into disagreement, just as Flat Earthers will. That is not personal, and pointing out that humans have known the difference between men and women since time began, that language is structured around that basic fact, and that even thousands of years after death it is easy for experts to sex a bone is not 'attacking' anyone, or 'hate speech'. The sense of entitlement and hectoring tones of those who claim that they're saying something makes it true, and if anyone disagrees they are 'hateful' is far closer to attack and hate speech.

Why is precious nhs money being used to defend what is basically a lie, Dr. upton is a man, Sandie is correct to ask him to leave a female changing room.
This case makes me so angry, it would be amazing if every female worker in the Fife hospital downed tools in support of Sandie !

I'd like to think she has a lot of support both there and throughout the country.

Yes, how much is this all costing and who exactly is driving this as well as this doctor.

Just to add to this whole sorry saga, a trans rights group has reported the editor of the Scottish Daily Express to the police for referring to Dr Upton as a man in their reporting of the tribunal.

There are several questions I would like answered.
Were other women using the same changing room as Sandie Peggie?
Were they subjected to the same treatment by Dr.Upton, and if so, what was their response?
Was the Equality policy on which this action is based discussed with female staff?
Do Doctors have male and female changing rooms?
Can a member of staff really be dismissed for 'misgendering' and therefore be accused of using the 'wrong' pronouns?
( I know teachers have been accused and in some cases dismissed for using the 'wrong' pronouns on children.)
What sort of man, a doctor no less, insists on using a changing room when a female member is dealing with a heavy menstrual flow?
Finally, what has happened to the respect which used to be expected from young, inexperienced members of staff towards older, experienced members, whatever their status?

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Just to add to this whole sorry saga, a trans rights group has reported the editor of the Scottish Daily Express to the police for referring to Dr Upton as a man in their reporting of the tribunal.

I hope the police have officers with some common sense.

It seems to have completely disappeared as they try to drag us all down their rabbit hole.

Agreed, Allira. It's now at the 'you couldn't make it up' stage.

I wonder if the intransigence of some who are continuing with this to the point of reporting the editor of a newspaper to the police is because they are pushing their own agenda or they are now scared they'll lose face?
Unfortunately, whoever they are, they are more powerful than an experienced nurse.
Scary stuff.

Sorry - I see it is a different group which has reported the editor.
Hopping on the bandwagon.

who exactly is driving this?

Indeed. I would very much like to know.

Doodledog

*who exactly is driving this*?

Indeed. I would very much like to know.

I’d like to say it is sick misogynistic males, but sadly, I think some females have been sucked into the men are always in the right, even if they are blatant liars.

It is a mens rights movement that has used the 'be kind' strategy to great effect.

Yes, I know, but I meant who is driving this case? How is it possible for someone to spend a lot of (I assume taxpayers') money to bring a case that is basically denying biology and also denying women's rights to privacy and dignity.

I totally believe that funding should not be allowed to get in the way of justice, but there has to come a point where budget holders can say no?

Oh I see, sorry. Well the theory that is put forward often is that you just need one or two activists on an organisations board/management committee and it is as we know impossible for many to resist.

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Just to add to this whole sorry saga, a trans rights group has reported the editor of the Scottish Daily Express to the police for referring to Dr Upton as a man in their reporting of the tribunal.

Since the whole case rests upon the fact that Dr Upton is a man then it would seem a necessary correction to the fantasy this doctor wants everyone to collude with.

Dickens

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Just to add to this whole sorry saga, a trans rights group has reported the editor of the Scottish Daily Express to the police for referring to Dr Upton as a man in their reporting of the tribunal.

Since the whole case rests upon the fact that Dr Upton is a man then it would seem a necessary correction to the fantasy this doctor wants everyone to collude with.

Indeed, not to mention the fact that the tribunal judge stated that Dr Upton could be referred to as a man in the proceedings.

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Dickens

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Just to add to this whole sorry saga, a trans rights group has reported the editor of the Scottish Daily Express to the police for referring to Dr Upton as a man in their reporting of the tribunal.

Since the whole case rests upon the fact that Dr Upton is a man then it would seem a necessary correction to the fantasy this doctor wants everyone to collude with.

Indeed, not to mention the fact that the tribunal judge stated that Dr Upton could be referred to as a man in the proceedings.

Yes - I've just seen that piece of information.

What struck me about this case is that on two previous occasions, nurse Peggie left the changing room on discovering Upton in it and that Upton has cited this as part of the harassment.

I don't know if words were spoken on those two occasions, but if there was no exchange, what is Upton actually saying... that a woman - once inside the changing room - doesn't have the right to remove herself from it because if she does, she's harassing a trans woman?

Are women to be compelled to conspire with another's feelings about their personal identity to the point where their own free will is denied, on pain of prosecution for harassment if they refuse to accede this demand?

- or was there a verbal exchange during these occasions? I hope so because if not that's setting a very dangerous precedent for women.

Yes, as I think I said earlier in thread, Sandie Peggie was damned if she did, damned if she didn't. From Dr Upton's evidence, he was offended when she spoke up about his use of the female changing room, then offended when she simply left the room. The whole saga just gets more and more ludicrous by the day, but make no mistake, the outcome of this is vital for the future rights of women and girls.

Dickens from what I gathered following the Tribunal Tweets live reporting, there was no verbal exchange on those occasions. It offended and hurt him greatly that Sandie waited outside until he left the room.
The biggest mistake some women made was to accede to the use of wrong sex pronouns in order to be 'kind'. Given that inch some transwomen have opted to take the proverbial mile, time to row right back.

Can you imagine the stress this puts on someone. I get stressed if I think I havent got enough time to write a report for work, imagine this level of stress connected with your work.