Ukraine- the situation is VERY serious

Wyllow3 / we have an outbreak of unity on this forum where the majority share disgust and fear about Trump

We need more news like this from the USA

"Trump's former vice-president, Mike Pence, also criticised the comments, posting on X: "Mr President, Ukraine did not 'start' this war. Russia launched an unprovoked and brutal invasion claiming hundreds of thousands of lives."

Iam64

Wyllow3 / we have an outbreak of unity on this forum where the majority share disgust and fear about Trump

Well, nearly all news outlets. I found the GB news report very ambiguous and certainly not fact checking claims such as Zelensky has been salting money away.

www.gbnews.com/news/world/donald-trump-volodymyr-zelensky-ukraine-war-russia-vladimir-putin

Ukraine could refuse the terms of any cease fire, what happens then, the US has said no more arms from us.

Do Europe go it alone backing Ukraine to keep fighting, that would mean using their/our own strategic reserves, Poland and Baltic states in particular would be very nervous, because if Russia attack them they would be left defenseless.

I think the war of words should end it’s not helping.

Wyllow3

Iam64

Wyllow3 / we have an outbreak of unity on this forum where the majority share disgust and fear about Trump

Well, nearly all news outlets. I found the GB news report very ambiguous and certainly not fact checking claims such as Zelensky has been salting money away.

www.gbnews.com/news/world/donald-trump-volodymyr-zelensky-ukraine-war-russia-vladimir-putin

GB News is not a news outlet. It's a right wing echo chamber for wingnuts.

David49

Ukraine could refuse the terms of any cease fire, what happens then, the US has said no more arms from us.

Do Europe go it alone backing Ukraine to keep fighting, that would mean using their/our own strategic reserves, Poland and Baltic states in particular would be very nervous, because if Russia attack them they would be left defenseless.

I think the war of words should end it’s not helping.

Have you considered telling Trump that the war of words should stop. As he's the one doing it.

Claremont

What we need to know, now, from Reform.

Who will they be backing? Ukraine and Europe

or Trump and Putin. We all deserve to know.

We know the answer to that, and it's not Ukraine and Europe.

Farage has spoken, I've put it on the Farage thread but will repeat here, tho dont want to trip up the board discussion

Well Farage has just spoken...and said virtually nothing, in fact has backed Trump

. It's from the Sky news timeline just out.

"Zelenskyy 'not a dictator' - but should set 'timeline' for elections in Ukraine

Nigel Farage has said Volodymyr Zelenskyy is "not a dictator" after being criticised for not speaking out against Donald Trump's attacks on Ukraine's president, but does think there should be a "timeline" for elections in the war-torn country

A fine example of saying virtually nothing at all, as it completely avoids major issues ,

and actually repeats the Trump myth that Zelensky's remaining in power under extreme war is internationally legally wrong in some way

which in fact, infers Zelensky is a dictator by demanding an election n the middle of a war torn situation where Zelensky clearly has the backing of his people.

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/a1345571-USA-dealings-with-Russia-and-Farage?msgid=31033145#31033145

According to the ex head of MI6 Sir Alex Younger on Newsnight last night, we are heading for a falling out between Trump and Putin when they realise that their objectives are completely different.. very good watch

Interesting, what's the reasoning?

SKY news commenting on Farage about Trump? 😂
Tosh.
Picked up sound bites (conveniently).
I watched it. ✔️ on GBNews live.

Wyllow3

Farage has spoken, I've put it on the Farage thread but will repeat here, tho dont want to trip up the board discussion

Well Farage has just spoken...and said virtually nothing, in fact has backed Trump

. It's from the Sky news timeline just out.

"Zelenskyy 'not a dictator' - but should set 'timeline' for elections in Ukraine

Nigel Farage has said Volodymyr Zelenskyy is "not a dictator" after being criticised for not speaking out against Donald Trump's attacks on Ukraine's president, but does think there should be a "timeline" for elections in the war-torn country

A fine example of saying virtually nothing at all, as it completely avoids major issues ,

and actually repeats the Trump myth that Zelensky's remaining in power under extreme war is internationally legally wrong in some way

which in fact, infers Zelensky is a dictator by demanding an election n the middle of a war torn situation where Zelensky clearly has the backing of his people.

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/a1345571-USA-dealings-with-Russia-and-Farage?msgid=31033145#31033145

Doublespeak?

Incredible arrogance from the USA basically "shut up and sign the minerals deal"

BBC newsfeed

"White House National Security Adviser Michael Waltz says Ukraine needs to rein in its criticism of the US, as Washington tries to secure a peace deal to end the war."

"It's unacceptable, they [Ukraine] need to tone it down and take a hard look and sign that deal," he tells Fox News.

The deal he is referring to is a push by Donald Trump for access to rare minerals in Ukraine in return for aid,

or even as compensation for the support the US has already provided. (!!!!??)

We presented the Ukrainians really an incredible, and a historic opportunity," the adviser says, adding that it would be "sustainable" and "the best" security guarantee they could hope for

Zelensky has publicly rejected an American bid to gain access to – and profit from - Ukrainian minerals, saying: "I can't sell our state."

My question as I don't know - what is Ukraine supposed to get from the deal in terms of a piece deal? How much territory

pascal30

According to the ex head of MI6 Sir Alex Younger on Newsnight last night, we are heading for a falling out between Trump and Putin when they realise that their objectives are completely different.. very good watch

Trump is so unpredictable that he could reverse his position, ditch Russia and go all in to regain the occupied region in Ukraine
That would call Russia’s nuclear bluff but could get very messy.

It would get very messy as Russia is so opposed to Ukraine's sovereignty.. I'm sure Putin wouldn't want to share any land that he considers Russian with Trump..

A Trump aide has now told Zelensky to tone down his criticism of Trump and sign the agreement to allow Trump Ukraine's rare minerals.The arrogance is breathtaking.

How do you know this to be true AGAA4? What is your news source?

BBC news

ronib

How do you know this to be true AGAA4? What is your news source?

Here it is.
www.reuters.com/world/white-house-adviser-urges-ukraine-tone-down-criticism-2025-02-20/

It's nothing short of blackmail.

I havent read the whole thread, and perhaps I should.

At the end of the day, and perhaps I am wrong, and perhaps this has already been pointed out, but the US didnt have to have already spent $billions?

So, not blackmail?

AGAA4

A Trump aide has now told Zelensky to tone down his criticism of Trump and sign the agreement to allow Trump Ukraine's rare minerals.The arrogance is breathtaking.

Also on Sky News.

fancythat

I havent read the whole thread, and perhaps I should.

At the end of the day, and perhaps I am wrong, and perhaps this has already been pointed out, but the US didnt have to have already spent $billions?

So, not blackmail?

Do you prefer the term coercion?

What understanding did Biden have with Ukraine at the very beginning of the war? Were any documents signed which offset the cost of war I wonder? Or were the billions spent in the free gift category? How will we ever know either way?

Why don’t you find out and report back ronib?