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Ukraine- the situation is VERY serious

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Claremont Thu 13-Feb-25 09:56:45

for Ukraine and the whole of Europe.

And will FORCE the UK to choose.

(Capitals do not always represent shouting, but emphasis).

Whitewavemark2 Thu 13-Feb-25 19:22:54

Whitewavemark2

Claremont

Any links Wwm2?

I’ll try and find it - but my iPad doesn’t do links.

I can’t find anything to link, but perhaps someone like maizie or maybee remembers. They were around on GN then and I’m sure his name will ring bells.

He was part of the Breitbart crowd and friends with Bannon. They all influenced Brexit by aiding Farage.

RosieandherMaw Thu 13-Feb-25 19:31:04

The above written by a friend from Berlin- whose family lost their home and land at the time, and had to move to East Germany, with nothing
Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire! .

imaround Thu 13-Feb-25 19:36:07

Wasn't Gorky removed in the last Trump administration? I need to go look. This man is bad.

Wyllow3 Thu 13-Feb-25 19:39:45

Summary /analysis BBC news feed

US Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth said he came to Brussels with a message from President Donald Trump - he wants to "make Nato great again".

Hegseth said that meant Europe taking responsibility for its own security and that member states should be spending 5% of their GDP on defence.

But that’s a figure not even the US meets

It was his message on ending the war in Ukraine that has rocked Nato, though, and Trump’s direct talks with Russia’s President Vladimir Putin.

It’s left Nato and Ukraine side-lined, with the US unilaterally declaring that Ukraine will not become a member of the Alliance nor regain all its lost territories

And he left no doubt that Trump was in charge, declaring the US president was leading negotiations.

Trump - not Nato - is now driving these talks. And it’s still not clear what concessions, if any, he’ll be demanding from Putin.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 13-Feb-25 19:44:22

imaround

Wasn't Gorky removed in the last Trump administration? I need to go look. This man is bad.

Yes he was - some scandal - I can’t remember. Honestly it is so frustrating remembering something but not everything - grr.

MaizieD Thu 13-Feb-25 19:51:47

Whitewavemark2

imaround

Wasn't Gorky removed in the last Trump administration? I need to go look. This man is bad.

Yes he was - some scandal - I can’t remember. Honestly it is so frustrating remembering something but not everything - grr.

I'm afraid I don't remember it, either. There;s been so much happening in the past few years.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 13-Feb-25 19:56:19

He had something to do with that outfit Carol Cadwalladr was investigating over Facebook influencers etc.

I hate getting old!!

Claremont Thu 13-Feb-25 20:07:14

RosieandherMaw

^The above written by a friend from Berlin- whose family lost their home and land at the time, and had to move to East Germany, with nothing^
Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire! .

This is the reality for those whose land is taken, they rarely have a choice.

I had two neighbours who were able to move to the UK- because they had relatives here. They never quite recovered from the loss, pain and bitterness.

M0nica Thu 13-Feb-25 20:09:15

There is absolutely nothing we can do about it. We are merely onlookers.

imaround Thu 13-Feb-25 20:12:34

He couldn't pass a background check.

www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-sebastian-gorka/

Whitewavemark2 Thu 13-Feb-25 20:12:36

Onlookers with opinions.

Iam64 Thu 13-Feb-25 20:14:40

Sorry I’m technically challenged - I saw the Victoria Derbyshire interview on X. I’m so tech challenged, I don’t know how I got to be on X. I rarely look but saw a comment about how aggressive Gorky was and praising VDerbyshire

Claremont Thu 13-Feb-25 20:25:07

More and more it looks like the likes of Musk, Trump and others, in cohoots with Putin - were very active, spending billions on targeting, multi media disinformation and lies, to weaken Europe- in Italy, in Hungary, in France, and of course in UK. They needed to weaken the EU, divide and rule, to get their way.

Iam64 Thu 13-Feb-25 20:26:40

Claremont - I try to avoid possible conspiracy stories but I believe your correct

Babs03 Thu 13-Feb-25 20:28:41

imaround

He couldn't pass a background check.

www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-sebastian-gorka/

This is not someone who should be anywhere near a position of power or even near other people in general.
I imagine if he bit me I would need a tetanus injection.

pascal30 Thu 13-Feb-25 20:31:41

Maremia

Victoria Derbyshire is the best Interviewer at the moment. She doesn't give up .

She is fabulous.. so politely tenacious..

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 13-Feb-25 20:51:12

From Pnut:
American on line news (which I like).

“As Trump tries to get his hands on Gaza, the White House is also taking its hands off the levers of Europe. Yesterday, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth announced that the U.S. would no longer be “primarily focused” on guaranteeing Europe’s safety. Instead, he told European leaders in Brussels that the U.S. would be turning to defending its borders against immigrants and deterring China.

He also discussed the future of the war in Ukraine. “We must start by recognizing that returning to Ukraine’s pre-2014 borders is an unrealistic objective,” Hegseth said. “Chasing this illusory goal will only prolong the war and cause more suffering.” He went on to say that peace in Ukraine would need to be secured by “capable European and non-European troops,” adding that the U.S. would not be approving Ukraine’s bid to join NATO.

In Washington, Trump announced that he’d held phone calls with both Russia and Ukraine and told reporters that both sides were willing to negotiate a peace deal. While Trump has promised that such a deal would be “good for both sides,” it doesn’t look like Russia is willing to give up any of the territory it’s gained over the course of the war to end the conflict.”

imaround Thu 13-Feb-25 20:57:30

What is sad Babs03 is that he isn't even the worst pick!

We have an anti-vaxxer who put a dead bear in Central Park as a joke in charge of our health.

An "alleged" Assaud agent at Intelligence

A super far right racist Christian Nationalist who do not believe women should be in the military in charge of the military.

Each one gets worse and worse. But then we get to Russel Voght. This man has ice running through his veins and is a lead architect and author of Project 2025. He is in charge of the purse strings and has already said he will illegally engage in impoundment, which is what is happening right now with the federal funds freeze. It is against the law. Nothing happens at any agency without his say so.

Churchview Thu 13-Feb-25 21:01:32

Claremont

More and more it looks like the likes of Musk, Trump and others, in cohoots with Putin - were very active, spending billions on targeting, multi media disinformation and lies, to weaken Europe- in Italy, in Hungary, in France, and of course in UK. They needed to weaken the EU, divide and rule, to get their way.

Yes. I've been trying to put this into words but you've made a better job of it than I ever could.

We all know who else is in with that little bunch - Farage.

Babs03 Thu 13-Feb-25 21:03:38

imaround

What is sad Babs03 is that he isn't even the worst pick!

We have an anti-vaxxer who put a dead bear in Central Park as a joke in charge of our health.

An "alleged" Assaud agent at Intelligence

A super far right racist Christian Nationalist who do not believe women should be in the military in charge of the military.

Each one gets worse and worse. But then we get to Russel Voght. This man has ice running through his veins and is a lead architect and author of Project 2025. He is in charge of the purse strings and has already said he will illegally engage in impoundment, which is what is happening right now with the federal funds freeze. It is against the law. Nothing happens at any agency without his say so.

'Darren Beattie calls for sterilization of “low-IQ trash,” - Trump regime appointee'

This is a new thread right now.
You're right each one does get worse.
I have no words.

imaround Thu 13-Feb-25 21:04:59

Doesn't appear that Ukraine is interested.

www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-says-not-accept-us-143646310.html

That article worries me FTG. It makes me wonder if they will be bringing more soldiers home from European bases to patrol the border. Having an excess number of soldiers going through cities and states to round people up is a scary thought.

Especially since ICE is already in trouble for not rounding up enough people and US Citizens have already had their 4th Amendment rights violated by being held without a warrant.

imaround Thu 13-Feb-25 21:07:51

Babs03, you can't even imagine how bad his nominees are. His envoy to the Middle East is a truck salesman.

Not a single person he nominated is there on merit. Which is why his attack on equal opportunity and DEI is such a slap in the face.

Churchview Thu 13-Feb-25 21:12:04

A video of Trump's new New Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy performing a striptease and getting his nipple licked has appeared in the media here this week.

Oreo Thu 13-Feb-25 21:16:28

If all the countries in Europe had given Ukraine more arms right at the start, when it became obvious ( tho surprising) that the Russian army were ill prepared and inept, then Ukraine could have won the war and put Putin back in his box.I include the US as well but since it’s Europe that’s affected then it should be all of Europe that provided as much as was needed.It was given but grudgingly and not fast enough and not enough at all.
So we are where we are.
Putin has to save face with his own people and so does Zelensky so a deal will have to be done.

pascal30 Thu 13-Feb-25 21:27:40

I wonder why Nato doesn't allow Ukraine to join which is what they have always wanted.. because it looks very like Europe is going to get drawn into the war.. especially as US troops are not going to be involved

Then there would be 30 member states against Russia.. I don't think for one minute that when Russia gains territory in the peace agreement that it will actually stop invading for more land.. and the European peacekeeper troops will not be allowed to fight.. whereas they could if Ukraine belonged to Nato.

I think Russia would allow a hiatus of possibly 6 months before resuming war.. And Trump will then be off concentrating on China and won't be interested..