Ukraine- the situation is VERY serious

Churchview

Daily Mail online is running an article under the following headline. I honestly didn't think it was possible for them to stoop any lower, but there they go.

"How to profit from WAR: the stocks to consider buying as the world re-arms, from great British companies to little-known European firms that could make you a FORTUNE in uncertain times."

This is just sick. The DM supported the nazi regime at the time and clearly saw financial profit in this. And Reese Mogg's dad wrote a book about how to protif financially in times of real crisis.

How can anyone support this dreadful, populist, manipulative rag?

NotSpaghetti

Churchview this is what Trump wants I think.
He wants us to up our war budgets by buying American weapons.

If we do have to buy more weapons, I sincerely hope we can buy them from anywhere other than America!

Churchview this is what Trump wants I think.
He wants us to up our war budgets by buying American weapons.

Ukraine was never going to win against Russia. We can only hope they can be left with some dignity and land.

According to ITV breakfast news, many EU Countries have apparently declined any offer of their troops acting as peace keepers in Ukraine including Poland and Spain.

Casdon

LizzieDrip

David
”European leaders are mistaken if they really believe they will be part of any peacekeeping”

I suppose we’ll just have to wait and see.

David49 only thinks that, he doesn’t know, any more than we do. I doubt if anybody does yet. From where I’m sitting, Trump and team are making an almighty balls up of the whole negotiations, and anything could yet happen.

I fear for Ukraine as an independant nation, the US does not want to escalate against Russia, it would amount to a declaration of war and could result in China openly supporting Russia. The sanctions against Russia has pushed them much closer to China who wants their resources.

Sacrificing Ukraine is the least worse option, just how much independence they will have remains to be seen, Russia might push for a high degree of control over the whole of Ukraine not just the annexed land.

dont abandon them

One of the best Marsh Family songs I've heard, using Bob Dylans song "blowing' in the wind

speaking up for the Ukrainian people

www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8GftJEa4_8

Churchview

Daily Mail online is running an article under the following headline. I honestly didn't think it was possible for them to stoop any lower, but there they go.

"How to profit from WAR: the stocks to consider buying as the world re-arms, from great British companies to little-known European firms that could make you a FORTUNE in uncertain times."

As it's behind a paywall, you must be subscribing to the Daily Mail, Churchview! 🤔

Churchview

Daily Mail online is running an article under the following headline. I honestly didn't think it was possible for them to stoop any lower, but there they go.

"How to profit from WAR: the stocks to consider buying as the world re-arms, from great British companies to little-known European firms that could make you a FORTUNE in uncertain times."

It’s obscene isn’t it!

Poland is at significant risk of being attacked itself, they already have troops on their own border with Russia, and there have been very significant NATO manoeuvres there. It’s not a case of being ‘not interested’.

Not all of the Europeans are interested in being part of a peacekeeping force. Poland has ruled it out. The German chancellor said the subject irritated him when questioned today. He said it was far too premature to think about it. So there is no concensus.

LizzieDrip

David
”European leaders are mistaken if they really believe they will be part of any peacekeeping”

I suppose we’ll just have to wait and see.

David49 only thinks that, he doesn’t know, any more than we do. I doubt if anybody does yet. From where I’m sitting, Trump and team are making an almighty balls up of the whole negotiations, and anything could yet happen.

David
”European leaders are mistaken if they really believe they will be part of any peacekeeping”

I suppose we’ll just have to wait and see.

Daily Mail online is running an article under the following headline. I honestly didn't think it was possible for them to stoop any lower, but there they go.

"How to profit from WAR: the stocks to consider buying as the world re-arms, from great British companies to little-known European firms that could make you a FORTUNE in uncertain times."

LizzieDrip

As I said previously, it’s looking likely that some of Ukraine will (sadly) be ceded to Russia, allowing the war the end with Putin saving face.

I think a peace keeping force made up of European soldiers will then be stationed in Ukraine - should Ukraine want that (which I’m sure they will).

David, do you believe that Putin “won’t allow” a European peace keeping force to be stationed in Ukraine, after the war has ended?

I think it’s highly unlikely that troops from any NATO country are part of a peacekeeping force, he might allow an independant force.

Most don’t seem to realize Ukraine has few options, Putin believes NATO is not going to get directly involved. European leaders are mistaken if they really believe they will be part of any peacekeeping.

As I said previously, it’s looking likely that some of Ukraine will (sadly) be ceded to Russia, allowing the war the end with Putin saving face.

I think a peace keeping force made up of European soldiers will then be stationed in Ukraine - should Ukraine want that (which I’m sure they will).

David, do you believe that Putin “won’t allow” a European peace keeping force to be stationed in Ukraine, after the war has ended?

GrannyGravy13

David49 I find myself agreeing with you on this.

And I agree with that analysis too.

MayBee70

Wasn’t the initial reason for setting up the EU to maintain peace in Europe after WWII? Brexit was imo part of a plan to destabilise Europe.I still question what Cummings did in the time he spent in Russia.So many people and organisations worked towards Brexit eg Cambridge Analytica. Strange that, when it suits people they describe the EU as ‘just a trading partnership’and yet, at other times the accusation is that it had become more than that and it took away our sovereignty and was therefore a valid reason for leaving it.

No, it wasn’t.NATO was set up in 1949 to protect against the Soviet Union.
The EEC as it used to be called was set up as a European trading agreement, and the French under de Gaulle never wanted the UK to be part of it.Governments here fought to get into the Common Market.The people in the UK in recent years fought to get out of it.

David49 I find myself agreeing with you on this.

LizzieDrip

^”If Ukraine is not going to be a NATO member why would Putin allow NATO troops in Ukraine”^

David I repeat the question I asked you earlier on this thread, what has it got to do with Putin who sets foot on the sovereign soil of Ukraine?

How can Putin allow / not allow troops into Ukraine? As long as they don’t touch Russian soil, it’s got nothing to do with him.

Putin is in Ukraine and intends to stay there unless the war is escalated to throw him out.

That is the current position, and they are still fighting to hold those positions Ukraine and Russia are loosing lives as we write.

We have 2 choices throw our full weight behind Ukraine, the US has already stated there will be no US troops involved. So it’s up to European countries to agree what to do.

OR

Accept Russia has won and end the fighting now getting the best deal we can, he keeps what he has won.

I don’t believe Europeans will try to escalate the war without the US backing them up, we simply don’t have the weapons stockpiles

Thanks Claremont

This is a FB link of John Major giving an analysis of how dangerous the situation is, and how both Trump and Putin, want a weaker, divided Europe.

fb.watch/xP66jTWKS2/

In September, 1938, four Leaders of powerful nations met in Munich, Germany, to sign an agreement concerning a smaller, Central European country. That country was Czechoslovakia, which had not been invited to the meeting, and where it was 'agreed' that she would have to cede a significant part of her territory, the Sudetenland, to a Dictator.
The Czechs never forgave the West, and the rest is history.
Eighty-Seven years later, in February 2025, two Leaders of powerful nations are discussing an agreement concerning a smaller, East-European country. That country is Ukraine, which is unlikely to be allowed any meaningful involvement in an 'agreement' which will require her to cede a significant part of her territory to a Dictator.
The Ukrainians will never forgive us if we allow this, and we should never forgive ourselves.
Don't be in any doubt as to what is happening here...
Picture: (Left to Right), Chamberlain, Daladier, Hitler, Mussolini, and Italian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Galeazzo Ciano, pictured before signing the Munich Agreement on September 30, 1938.

Who cares about Putin's point of view? He gets other people to push people out of hotel windows, he murders British citizens on British soil, he imprisons his own people for speaking out against him, and he invades a country a couple of days after he said he wouldn't?

Why would you trust him? Unless you were frightened of him...

From Putin’s point of view the west is equally untrustworthy keepingquiet. My DH seems to think at the end of the Cold War, Russia had shown some willingness to take a more conciliatory approach to the West and the USA rebuffed the initiative. It wanted to keep its profitable arms industry in business. I am unsure quite how to respond to this.