Syrian asylum seeker arrested after boy, 14, killed and four injured in Austria stabbing.

Every needless death is one too many.

I wish I knew the answer

It’s almost a daily occurrence.

Poor child and poor family.

I 've not read anything yet of the details of the stabbing in Austria, and any random-seeming attack and death is shocking, but I do wonder whether, if the Syrian nationality and asylum-seeker status of the man detained had not been mentioned, would it have caused quite such a shocked reaction? People of all nationalities are capable of such an attack.

Yes, not defending it, but if it had been a stabbing by Austrian nationals drunks or a gang in a big city centre in Vienna - or a substantial gang shooting in New York by US citizens for the matter - we wouldn't have heard of it.

Sorry but I disagree. That’s deflection of the highest order.
It is what it is and we need to acknowledge it, take heed and take steps. Not that I can being to outline what those should be.

Austrian Police said he may have had Islamist extremist motives for the attack.

Where is the condemnation from the religious leaders?

Disagree, wouldn't have reached the international press otherwise.

A shocking incident. Meanwhile yesterday in the UK two men were seriously injured in a stabbing during a fight in Luton, and a woman was shot dead outside a pub in a rural village. Were asylum seekers involved?

I imagine the two men got into an altercation because of hot head views/assisted by alcohol, maybe even drugs were involved. They clashed - one on one. A fight.

The woman who died from being shot in the head was a victim of a crime of passion. Her ex attacked her.

These killings (Austria, Germany) are targeted attacks on unknown individuals (several) by people with a hatred in general for Western values, aided and abetted by reading material on line - as the Austrian Police said - to encourage random slaughtering.

Sorry but I cannot conflate the two instances with what is happening right now in Europe. It’s like comparing apples with pears.

The point is, there is violence everywhere, on our streets, and everywhere else. You please yourself what you think the difference is, but the fact is that the end result is exactly the same, people die and get seriously injured. It happens daily, all over Europe, and every situation is different. Some killings are drug or drink related, some due to mental illness, some crimes of passion, some religiously motivated, some revenge etc etc. that makes no difference to the end result for the victim.

And some would still be alive if these individuals hadn’t been allowed into their country, as would many here.

Yes, and many more would still be alive if people with serious mental health problems were not on our streets, yet they don’t generate a knee jerk thread every time there’s an incident which results in death in this country, never mind elsewhere.
I’m not minimising what happened in Austria, or Germany, but we do need to keep a sense of proportion.

You can ignore these attacks and claim it's unfair when stabbings by locals don't get reported on but FGT has successfully pointed out why there is less interest.

The fact is Europe is in somewhat of a disaster of its own making.

I'm sure you all are aware of the issues in France, Sweden and Germany. Italy has voted in the way that many other countries look set to follow. People are leaning towards the right.

Young people are who are important now. Not us. It's the oldies keeping the left going. But we'll be gone in a couple of decades. And our opinion will be irrelevant.

Wyllow3

Yes, not defending it, but if it had been a stabbing by Austrian nationals drunks or a gang in a big city centre in Vienna - or a substantial gang shooting in New York by US citizens for the matter - we wouldn't have heard of it.

Quite.

Current press report 10 mins ago reported

"VIENNA (AP) — A 23-year-old man stabbed six passersby in southern Austria on Saturday in what police said was a random attack that left a 14-year-old dead and five others injured.

The suspect was detained in the city of Villach, where the attack took place, police said. He is a Syrian national with legal residence in Austria, they said.

Police spokesperson Rainer Dionisio said a motive was not immediately known. He added that police were investigating the attacker’s personal background. We have to wait until we get secure information,” he said

apnews.com/article/austria-stabbings-4913f6921c6f27e6d7fd8590da85cc9f

If and when it emerges it is planned terrorist attack then we can discuss it as such, until then its speculative.

Rula that’s untrue regarding voting patterns. Look at any survey of political preference by age. On average the young lean substantially to the left, and they get more right as they age. There’s a right wing narrative at the moment, fuelled in the UK by the media. That doesn’t have anything to do with religious fanatics or mentally ill people killing others.

Only a few days ago, J.D Vance warned of the dangers Europe faces if it continues with the madness of allowing uncontrolled mass migration.

It took an American to point out what voters across the continent have known for years, yet governments still steadfastly refused to take action.

When we only or mostly have incidents carried out by foreign nationals massively reported and of course the language that goes with it

Then you actually create the far right narratives s opposed to "proving" it.

Elegran

I 've not read anything yet of the details of the stabbing in Austria, and any random-seeming attack and death is shocking, but I do wonder whether, if the Syrian nationality and asylum-seeker status of the man detained had not been mentioned, would it have caused quite such a shocked reaction? People of all nationalities are capable of such an attack.

But they dont.

JenniferEccles

Only a few days ago, J.D Vance warned of the dangers Europe faces if it continues with the madness of allowing uncontrolled mass migration.

It took an American to point out what voters across the continent have known for years, yet governments still steadfastly refused to take action.

Vance is pushing a US far right narrative in order to build bridges with European politicians of similar opinion.

It doesn't "prove" he is right, it's the POV currently favoured by the US administration

BevSec

Elegran

I 've not read anything yet of the details of the stabbing in Austria, and any random-seeming attack and death is shocking, but I do wonder whether, if the Syrian nationality and asylum-seeker status of the man detained had not been mentioned, would it have caused quite such a shocked reaction? People of all nationalities are capable of such an attack.

But they dont.

Of course they do. Look at the crime stats for knife and gun crime in the UK and USA.

(thats one of the ironies of Vance lecturing us given the horrifying rate of US gun crime, home grown!)

Casdon

Rula that’s untrue regarding voting patterns. Look at any survey of political preference by age. On average the young lean substantially to the left, and they get more right as they age. There’s a right wing narrative at the moment, fuelled in the UK by the media. That doesn’t have anything to do with religious fanatics or mentally ill people killing others.

We get more right wing as we get older because we have wiser, more informed views.

Wyllow3

BevSec

Elegran

I 've not read anything yet of the details of the stabbing in Austria, and any random-seeming attack and death is shocking, but I do wonder whether, if the Syrian nationality and asylum-seeker status of the man detained had not been mentioned, would it have caused quite such a shocked reaction? People of all nationalities are capable of such an attack.

But they dont.

Of course they do. Look at the crime stats for knife and gun crime in the UK and USA.

(thats one of the ironies of Vance lecturing us given the horrifying rate of US gun crime, home grown!)

Its not the same as driving a car into crowds by Islamist terrorists.

JenniferEccles

Only a few days ago, J.D Vance warned of the dangers Europe faces if it continues with the madness of allowing uncontrolled mass migration.

It took an American to point out what voters across the continent have known for years, yet governments still steadfastly refused to take action.

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