Who DO (Trump and Vance) think they are?

Wyllow3

How are we going to pay for more than a modest increase? What will go? Are the public prepared for higher taxes for it?

The government will receive £ millions in taxes generated by extra productivity to supply and service stronger armed forces.

Arto1s

They will not be excluded

You might wish to reconsider this confident assertion.

GrannyGravy13

Wyllow3

How are we going to pay for more than a modest increase? What will go? Are the public prepared for higher taxes for it?

The government will receive £ millions in taxes generated by extra productivity to supply and service stronger armed forces.

We will if that money on weaponry is spent the UK, will it?.

David49

GrannyGravy13

Wyllow3

How are we going to pay for more than a modest increase? What will go? Are the public prepared for higher taxes for it?

The government will receive £ millions in taxes generated by extra productivity to supply and service stronger armed forces.

We will if that money on weaponry is spent the UK, will it?.

UK weapons manufacturing is a growing industry.

More personnel, more uniforms, more housing, more everything to service the needs, all generate taxes.

More jobs created, more money spent in the economy = more income for the government.

But surely both this and the last government would have increased spending rapidly and willingly if this were the case.

Perhaps it's the difference between what needs to be spent upfront and the eventual benefits, which would be some substantial time.

GrannyGravy13

David49

GrannyGravy13

Wyllow3

How are we going to pay for more than a modest increase? What will go? Are the public prepared for higher taxes for it?

The government will receive £ millions in taxes generated by extra productivity to supply and service stronger armed forces.

We will if that money on weaponry is spent the UK, will it?.

UK weapons manufacturing is a growing industry.

More personnel, more uniforms, more housing, more everything to service the needs, all generate taxes.

More jobs created, more money spent in the economy = more income for the government.

You're a woman after my own heart, GG13. Government spending will generate more tax revenues. Well said

Most on Gransnet are old enough to know the real truth about the dangers of the far right, and dictators like Trump. We remember as children having kids arrive in our class from war torn countries where their family escaped annihilation by far right armies.
We knew this before unpalatable truths became "fake news" in an attempt to white wash it and sanitizer it.
Now we see it rising again and know the fearful consequences

David49

GrannyGravy13

Wyllow3

How are we going to pay for more than a modest increase? What will go? Are the public prepared for higher taxes for it?

The government will receive £ millions in taxes generated by extra productivity to supply and service stronger armed forces.

We will if that money on weaponry is spent the UK, will it?.

But they will still have to spend in the first place.

So it is [just] some money back.
Net is still minus.
By quite some way, possibly.

This thread has gone the other way from what was intended I think.

EU looks weak.

And the Uk sounding like it is turning into the US. In more ways than one.

rbnpow

Most on Gransnet are old enough to know the real truth about the dangers of the far right, and dictators like Trump. We remember as children having kids arrive in our class from war torn countries where their family escaped annihilation by far right armies.
We knew this before unpalatable truths became "fake news" in an attempt to white wash it and sanitizer it.
Now we see it rising again and know the fearful consequences

fancythat

This thread has gone the other way from what was intended I think.

EU looks weak.

And the Uk sounding like it is turning into the US. In more ways than one.

Really?

fancythat

Would you and others be willing to increase the Uk defence spending? Maybe by a huge amount?
Which to be fair to the Military, they have been warning about decreased spending for many years.

Yes.

Olga Maitland gave us a book which she wrote about Margaret Thatcher - I remain convinced defence spending should be priority.

The fact remains that, IF we really believe Russia is a threat we need to spend at least double the amount we do now, which will mean taxes go up a lot.

The so-called "peace talks" are not peace talks at all unless the parties to the conflict are present.

Someone needs to ask Trump what he might do if his country were invaded. Would he not fight back? Would he give any credence to talks that did not include the US?

But logic does not come into it in any way any more. The US has an insane person at the helm.

RosieandherMaw - I too could weep.

Someone needs to ask Trump what he might do if his country were invaded

Perhaps Canada and Mexico could perform a pincer movement .

David49

The fact remains that, IF we really believe Russia is a threat we need to spend at least double the amount we do now, which will mean taxes go up a lot.

No they won't.

Did taxes 'go up a lot' when the government spent £37 billion on the covid pandemic?

Who they are? Well, Trump thinks he is a King. www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/king-trump-rcna192912

He probably thinks he is like Charles III. More similarities to Charles I, and likely to meet the same end.

Lots of cartoons online with Donald Duck in full Coronation regalia.

If Americans understand anything that comes out of his mouth, good for them. Trump isn’t on our wavelength in the Uk so we run the risk of misunderstanding his message if there’s any meaning to understand. He’s firmly their leader and not ours.

I was listening to a webinar last night with a woman who used to be a British Ambassador and now lives in Washington.. She said that Trump is causing absolute chaos in America and that people are beginning to realise that he is not improving their lives.. She fears violent civil unrest in Washington.. and went as far as saying that she has bought a gun..

King Donald😡😡

Whitewavemark2

King Donald😡😡

He may have said "THE king" ie Elvis. In my opinion, whatever his actual words, his mind was thinking of a crowned king. Modesty is not one of his biggest attributes. He has to be at the top of the pile, and King would be his chosen role. This would be a big mistake by him! Americans are hostile to any hint of a monarchy.

rbnpow

Most on Gransnet are old enough to know the real truth about the dangers of the far right, and dictators like Trump. We remember as children having kids arrive in our class from war torn countries where their family escaped annihilation by far right armies.
We knew this before unpalatable truths became "fake news" in an attempt to white wash it and sanitizer it.
Now we see it rising again and know the fearful consequences

And old enough to have fathers/uncles etc., fighting against fascism.
They must be spinning in their graves.

Are there any US Republicans here (or friends/relatives) who can comment on Trump's lies in a positive and constructive light, or at least a 'neutral' view, and give us an idea of how you believe he sees Europe and also the UK? I would really like to know how the 'ordinary' Republican reads Trump's utterances and plans.

When people are convinced (indoctrinated), no amount of facts changes their perspectives.

Yes, it would take a lot to convince MAGA hardliners. When it hits food prices even more, medicaid is seriously taken apart, their social security systems ravaged, it might be different.