Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Government

MEM, over 100,000 children. Enrolled in Schools in Gaza 19th
February 2025 !

You think like Nissim Vaturi? I can only think so since you have refused to answer and have not condemned his words re killing all the men in Gaza and West Bank without mercy or hesitation, and sending children and women out (to where???).

The Documetary will be shown on Channel Four on Wednesday

Oscar-nominated Palestinian documentary No Other Land has been named best documentary in the Film Independent Spirit Awards 2025 (IMDB: 8.3/10).
The documentary will be shown on Channel 4 on Tuesday 4 March @ 23:15 GMT

You and Owen Jones think alike

There are many 'flaws' and more with the constant propaganda from the Israeli side, so I think it should be shown, with an introduction explaining the 'concerns'. Much better than boycotting it. As Israel forbids all independent journalists from entering Gaza, and one has to seriously wonder about their motives, and what they do not want the world to see - then of course any real info from the other side will be seen from the Palestinian pov.

BBC has reviewed its Gaza documentary, there are serious flaws.

I read earlier today that, 500 celebrities had written to the Beeb
asking for the documentary to be aired , will they ask now !

I did. Because it made every sense.

You chose those words not me

Not my words- a response to the declaration made in the Knessetby the Deputy President of the Israeli Government, by an Israeli Jew.

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Quote Claremont Wed 26-Feb-25 09:28:17
Response from a Jewish Israeli

''We swore never again. As Jews, as humans, as the descendants of the murdered. And there is no pleasant way to write it: in the country of israel founded by the people who were victims of the most brutal genocide in history, these days the idea of genocide is normalized. Sponsored by and from the ruling party.''

NO Annie, YOU are making the comparisons, by bringing every mention of pain, suffering, killings, baby deaths- back to the Holocaust- and your constant wish to deny those sufferings.

The same, does not mean the same methods- but the same result in many ways. The destruction of a people and the loss
of their land.

BAck to the OP, and not the Holocaust. Do you, or do you not approve of the end goal for the Deputy Speaker of the Knesset, the Israeli Government

the Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset: "*Palestinians in Gaza are outcasts, and no one in the world wants them. Women and children should be separated, and adults should be eliminated."

Yes or no?

What do you think of the situation I outlined as regards government backed expansion by into the West Bank, pushing residents out into ever smaller areas, now including using tanks Annie? Do you think that Israel should include the West Bank?

Cossy You don’t like Netanyahu? No surprise given the accusations made against him, I don’t like or dislike,

some do compare the Holocaust with the Gaza wars , why the question’ Why are the Jews doing the same to those in Gaza
knowing what happened in the Holocaust’ ?

Anniebach

You think they should have learned a lesson ? There is no Holocaust, where are the gas chambers ? The Jews were not
raping, killing, they are defending against terrorists

I am shocked that anyone can compare, simply a case of denial

There is no comparison.

I don’t like Netunyahu, I don’t think he has his citizens best interests at heart.

And who would confirm it?

Israel totally forbids any foreing journalists there.

Spittle on their back is not nice, for sure. Bomb on your head, no food or health care, no clothes or heating- now there is no comparison.

Yes, the ones you see at the top guys, they are a very small number compared to the rest of the population, the mothers and children, the elderly. Who would show them to you? As no-one is allowed to be witness. And when you are told, you totally deny.

The number of deaths are given by Hamas . If babies are dying
of starvation how come the crowds mocking the release of hostages are so healthy.

If Hamas declared rain was wet I would want it confirmed and I
live in Wales

17.400 Palestinian children have been killed during this short war. The 'official' number- probably a lot more in reality. Babies and young children are now dying of starvation, disease and cold.

Have you seen the maps of the land given, and the illegal expansion ever since. Expanding, more and more, and in the most cruel of ways, made the acceptance of the Nakba much much worse. This was never supposed to happen, and the West should have put a very firm stop to it. But it was in their interest, so they didn't.

This post is about the Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Governement, in their 'House' - officially calling for men to be separated from women and children (to go where?) and all killed without hesitation and mercilessly. In Gaza and in West Bank. All of them.

How can anyone excuse this? Just anyone.

Worst is, no-one in Goverment stopped him, he was allowed to continue, without being reprimanded and asked to leave. They listened, in silence, and therefore approved tacitly.

1948, Jews given their own country, coverage of the Holocaust
rampant in the media and news reels in the cinema, then
6 countries declared war on those Jews, many had fled there to a place of safety after centuries of persecution

I know you don't believe I have Jewish friends from Israel who communicate their real opposition to Netanyahu and what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank. And that you won't even bother to read anything they pass on to me.

Here is that friend (her MT is Hebrew and not English) saying how she feels about Jewish pain and suffering being 'worth' so much more than Palestinian pain and suffering

Her words (her DH is also Israeli Jew, and an expert if Jewish studies and history)

''I'm **ing sick of this one-sided ethnocentric pain.
There is no room for anyone else's pain and suffering.
Our pain erases all other pain.
As if the seventh of October, even if ten thousand bad people participated, completely annulls the right to exist, but, heartache, heartbreak, loss, orphans, mourning, of two million people.
As if the existence of Hamas and the horrible atrocities it consistently commits, completely misguided the suffering of the occupied territories and the problems of the Palestinian residents of israel''

Do you ever read what Hamas and Palestinians say about Jews ? Do you know any history of Jews post WWII? Are you aware that there are Jewish people in the West being attacked, vilified, abused? Has your grandson come home from school with spittle down the back of his blazer?

You're clueless

No-one, not a singe person here, has ever denied the diabolical treatment of Jews during the Holocaust. But you continue, totally blindly, to acknowledge the injustice done to the Palestinians who lost their home and country in 1948, and had more and more land, settled illegally and with very violent means, with the protection of the IDF, ever since.

Shot in the back burnt and yes, rape used as a form of humiliation and submission, houses and land bulldozed and burnt- for over 65 years, several generation- and you wonder why they want to fight to keep what is left.

Total one-sided denial. Blind to the pain of others, their pain and dead, children, babies- somehow worth less than others. With words like vermin, rascals, subhuman and terrorists (all of them, not 'just' Hamas) just like in 1930s Germany.

Anniebach

You think they should have learned a lesson ? There is no Holocaust, where are the gas chambers ? The Jews were not
raping, killing, they are defending against terrorists

I am shocked that anyone can compare, simply a case of denial

Annie, Hell can take many forms. Being blown up, burnt alive by bombs, is not the same, but is it 'better', less cruel and diabolical.

And yes, there are 1000s of reports of rape and about 40.000 killed, and so many more maimed. Palestinians have been defending themselves against 'terrorists' for a very very long time.

Quote JamesandJon33 Thu 27-Feb-25 16:26:40
Anniebach Justa thought; what would you do, feel, if a line was drawn down through Wales, say Llandudno to Port Talbot, and all the Welsh had to move west of that line. The rest of your land being occupied by the English. Would you be happy, or would you fight for what had been yours for centuries ?

What has this to do with you stating ‘ the Jews experienced the
Holocaust’ ?

Anniebach Justa thought; what would you do, feel, if a line was drawn down through Wales, say Llandudno to Port Talbot, and all the Welsh had to move west of that line. The rest of your land being occupied by the English. Would you be happy, or would you fight for what had been yours for centuries ?

I'm not making allusions to the past:

I am describing the gradual state sanctioned occupation of the West Bank, now backed up by the military:

I fear more war, deaths, as people start to strike back:

I am concerned, for I think it very wrong, that Israel should extend its borders all the way to Jordan, and threaten the way of life of millions of Palestinians who did not attack Israel before the settlements started.

I've alway defended the right if Israel to have a state that is a haven, but not to attack and expand.