Inspiring speech from Trump to Congress

theworriedwell

Arto1s

You really think it’s OK to have transgender men in women’s sport? How can you possibly support this? We need the Republicans to bring back COMMENCE SENSE

Transgender men in women's sport or big powerful countries invading smaller countries. Hard to decide which is the bigger issue - well no it isn't hard at all.

But there is a kind of similarity, isn't there?

Men have more height and weight on average than women, and more assertive than them, who have had the advantage of the way male muscles get stronger faster under the effect of testosterone during puberty.

Big powerful countries have more soldiers, arms, equipment, and money to train those soldiers and replace arms and equipment than smaller countries. They have more ships and planes to transport their armies to the smaller country to fight and to bomb them more effectively. They have the confidence which comes from being big and powerful and being certain that whatever they do is right because bigger is better in their eyes.

So if a leader is against having trans men competing against natural women, it ought to mean that he is also against big countries bullying smaller countries and demanding to take over other people's lands and assets, surely?

Honestly not sure what one would have found inspiring about it. Tiny little power hungry man. But if you did I suppose it tells me all I need to know about you

Kandinsky

*The thing is if you pretend that men can become women, I dont trust you on any issue*

Exactly.

👍it would be very foolish to do so.

Babs03
“US stock market in free fall due to crippling tariffs issued to China, Mexico, and Canada, that will come right back to bite ordinary Americans.
Hundreds of thousands of federal workers without jobs.
The POTUS cosying up to Putin in order to grab a deal over minerals whilst throwing Ukraine under the bus, thereby threatening the security of Europe.
Plans to make Gaza into a Trump themed resort.
Plans to take over Canada and Greenland.

And the OP cites men not being in women’s sports. Pretty soon I think that will be the very least of our worries.”

Agree Babs03.

Having just listened to President Macron’s speech to the French nation, we may be closer to that day than we think.

As you say Babs, men in women’s sport may be the least of our worries very soon.

I think most of us will agree anyone who is biologically male, whether transitioned or not, is not going to be able to “fairly” compete again most women and not have an unfair advantage.

I also don’t think men and women can alter their biological sex, however they can live very settled stable lives, causing no one any harm, as a different gender to which they were assigned at birth.

In many countries, including ours, they can be given a legal status showing that they are now living their life as man or woman.

It doesn’t bother me, I agree transitioned males now living as women shouldn’t be in women’s prisons, or compete against women in sport.

However, in the great scheme of things it really is a teeny weeny issue.

Babs03

US stock market in free fall due to crippling tariffs issued to China, Mexico, and Canada, that will come right back to bite ordinary Americans.
Hundreds of thousands of federal workers without jobs.
The POTUS cosying up to Putin in order to grab a deal over minerals whilst throwing Ukraine under the bus, thereby threatening the security of Europe.
Plans to make Gaza into a Trump themed resort.
Plans to take over Canada and Greenland.

And the OP cites men not being in women’s sports. Pretty soon I think that will be the very least of our worries.

Hardly freefall!
And probably gone up since you last saw it.

Yes, lowest I think since last November, but I find looking at historic charts interesting.
Not a disaster yet.

Elegran at 18.46 - another cracker , thanks

Cossy

I think most of us will agree anyone who is biologically male, whether transitioned or not, is not going to be able to “fairly” compete again most women and not have an unfair advantage.

I also don’t think men and women can alter their biological sex, however they can live very settled stable lives, causing no one any harm, as a different gender to which they were assigned at birth.

In many countries, including ours, they can be given a legal status showing that they are now living their life as man or woman.

It doesn’t bother me, I agree transitioned males now living as women shouldn’t be in women’s prisons, or compete against women in sport.

However, in the great scheme of things it really is a teeny weeny issue.

Agree Cossy.
In the majority of sports trans women do not compete against biological women, but if it happens it is not fair in my opinion. Nor do I think trans women should be in biological women’s jails or use ‘women only’ spaces.
This is, however, as you have said, an issue that really only affects the very smallest percentage of people. The majority will not be affected by this in any way.
And I support the right for individuals to change gender. I cannot say that I understand this but that doesn’t mean I have the right to enforce my own norms upon others.

Not if it loses you ever election it isnt, and if it means those who would normally support you wouldnt dream of voting for you. I dont think trust is a small issue I think it is fundamental in politics, and if as a party your misogyny is such that you put men in prisons with some of the most vulnerable women then I cant possibly support you. I also think that what has happened to children will be seen historically as one of the greatest medical blunders of all time, so no I dont think it will be seen as a small issue. I think that historians etc will be analysing it for years to come.

It was said on twitter that Trump is backtracking on the Canada and Mexico tariffs. He found his bullying tactics didn't work. Be prepared to hear that they are 'meeting in the middle '. It's untrue. Canada and Mexico have categorically said that won't happen

Didn’t he say he wanted the death penalty for anyone who kills a policeman. After releasing from prison the people involved in the insurrection in which several policemen were killed.

I'm not interested in sport. I'm not interested in men becoming women or whatever.

I am horrified at what is going on and what may unfold.

glasshalffullagain

I'm not interested in sport. I'm not interested in men becoming women or whatever.

I am horrified at what is going on and what may unfold.

As am I

Kandinsky

Aveline

Making a joke out of someone’s spelling is very low. Some people are dyslexic, or maybe just not great at spelling? Picking someone apart for that is horrible.
And often it’s a typo which I’m sure you know.

I agree with you Arto1s about men in women’s sport. Something needs to be done but our politicians are too scared to do anything. You’ll get little support on this board though, because despite it being mostly women, they don’t care that their very existence is slowly being destroyed. Too busy shouting ‘boo hiss’ at right wingers.

How very true, lots of vocal LP guardian-reading posters!

Teazel2

Kandinsky

Aveline

Making a joke out of someone’s spelling is very low. Some people are dyslexic, or maybe just not great at spelling? Picking someone apart for that is horrible.
And often it’s a typo which I’m sure you know.

I agree with you Arto1s about men in women’s sport. Something needs to be done but our politicians are too scared to do anything. You’ll get little support on this board though, because despite it being mostly women, they don’t care that their very existence is slowly being destroyed. Too busy shouting ‘boo hiss’ at right wingers.

How very true, lots of vocal LP guardian-reading posters!

That, frankly, is a load of nonsense. It’s just that most of us are capable of juggling more than one issue in our minds, and don’t think that one good thing Trump has done alleviates the hundreds of bad things.

I sometimes read The Grauniad. Does that help at all?

Don’t worry Trump is on track to achieve more good than we can recognise at the moment. We are very blinkered here.

In the words of all good Scots, ronib, Aye, right.
You are on the wrong side here. Read the facts coming from America about tariffs, lost jobs, rising food costs etc and that's without commenting on his disastrous foreign plans.

ronib

Don’t worry Trump is on track to achieve more good than we can recognise at the moment. We are very blinkered here.

Oh, that's great news. Here was I thinking we are close to way, a global depression and huge surges in immigration.

Please share the good that is coming our way - I could do with some positive focus.

war, not way.

I just read an article somewhere that Trump is pulling the world into the 21st century…. So if for one moment, we stopped the group think that Trump is automatically bad, what do we find?

Also since Trump has only been in office for weeks, we should take the long view.

I don't know - what do we find? Can you link us to what you have just read, so we can see for ourselves?

conservativewoman.co.uk is running a series of articles on Trump.

ronib

I just read an article somewhere that Trump is pulling the world into the 21st century…. So if for one moment, we stopped the group think that Trump is automatically bad, what do we find?

Also since Trump has only been in office for weeks, we should take the long view.

A stopped clock is right twice a day but you wouldn’t want to agree to all the wrong times of day on it.

Galaxy

Not if it loses you ever election it isnt, and if it means those who would normally support you wouldnt dream of voting for you. I dont think trust is a small issue I think it is fundamental in politics, and if as a party your misogyny is such that you put men in prisons with some of the most vulnerable women then I cant possibly support you. I also think that what has happened to children will be seen historically as one of the greatest medical blunders of all time, so no I dont think it will be seen as a small issue. I think that historians etc will be analysing it for years to come.

I think I made my position very clear and transparent.

I don’t think transitioned male to female should be in women only spaces, that includes prisons, sports. changing rooms, toilets, etc etc etc.

Irrespective of how you feel, it’s a teeny weeny problem in the great scheme of things and affects a very small part of the population.

Far far less than all the women in the USA affected by the barbaric abortion/pregnancy care laws.

I don’t really understand your obsession with such a very small cohort of people, many of whom just get on with their lives and cause no one any trouble.