China has told the US it is ready for any kind of war

We’ve been through some scary times in our life on earth but none has made me feel so nervous as having the orange megalomaniac in charge.

we're rapidly heading towards WW3

" done and dusted" an odd turn of phrase.

Yes, I agree with pascal30.

Sad for my children and future generations, if they are allowed to exist.

Babs03

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gmd3g2nzqo.amp

Nice to see the POTUS is making plenty of friends 🫣
If Trump is a good business man since when is peeing off trade partners made good business sense.

Except as most of us know, he’s actually a rubbish businessman, he’s has bankrupted many of the companies set up by his father and grandfather.

He’s an utter buffoon and if he truly believes anyone, including Putin, will support him against China, he’s even more deluded than most of us believe.

Babs03 China would have come in and lured then from China! The deal is with 100 billion dollars! Think about that! My goodness. just hope China doesn't manage to do another deal with them!! I would like to see Starmer secure us a deal worth that! Starmer chasing investors away .

I am getting more concerned about Trump. He's ruffling too many feathers and it doesn't bode well. It's hard to believe how in only a few weeks Trump and his crew has turned so many against him.

Wyllow3

Oh how Trump loves the limelight and the dramatic.

From "All the worlds a stage"

"Then a soldier,
Full of strange oaths, and bearded like the pard,
Jealous in honour, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon’s mouth.

I quoted part of that to DH yesterday - but it was the bit about sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything.

Old age doesn't come on its own but quite honestly, I wouldn't want to be young right now. ☹

glasshalffullagain

" done and dusted" an odd turn of phrase.

Done and dusted? More than odd.

Casually brushing aside the pain and deaths in this invaded country, the support we've given Ukranians, the dangers of Putin (and the difficulty of actually really ending a conflict with him)

Sorry to have to read this turn of phrase about a war.

Allira

Wyllow3

Oh how Trump loves the limelight and the dramatic.

From "All the worlds a stage"

"Then a soldier,
Full of strange oaths, and bearded like the pard,
Jealous in honour, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon’s mouth.

I quoted part of that to DH yesterday - but it was the bit about sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything.

Old age doesn't come on its own but quite honestly, I wouldn't want to be young right now. ☹

I think when we are older we tend to worry more than when we were young? Just my opinion of course, comparing it with the younger people I do actually talk to. and times in my life when the world seemed close to war.

That said, I think Trump is the most dangerous dictator we have had for some considerable time.

AGAA4

I am getting more concerned about Trump. He's ruffling too many feathers and it doesn't bode well. It's hard to believe how in only a few weeks Trump and his crew has turned so many against him.

Am wondering what his possible plan can be, in the past the US has benefitted from a good relationship with its allies, certainly after the twin towers attack the US called upon its allies to put boots on the ground in Iraq, and very many allies put their own service personnel in the line of fire alongside the US, Ukrainian forces included, some losing their lives.
And again many allies joined the US in Afghanistan, with service personnel losing their lives.
Whatever Trump believes the US has done for its allies, it has very much been a case of vice versa. And whatever money the US has given to its allies has been loaned, not gifted. After the Second World War the US loaned money to help rebuild the UK, but we just finished paying it back with interest in 2016.
This petulant and rather peevish attitude towards allies, as if we stole all the jam, is as risible as it is damaging.
Macron has just made a speech about the possibility of no longer considering the US to be on the side of Europe.
So if Trump is no longer with us, do we consider that he is against us?
Recent behaviour has shown that this could very well be the case.

So if Trump is no longer with us, do we consider that he is against us?
Not particularly against us, I think that Trump is just for Trump and his wealthy pals.

I agree with some others. Trump is not interested in Europe or Russia as his enemy. China is where he will concentrate his efforts. A much bigger and more difficult opponent. Europe must look after itself and seek unity amongst those living there.Perhaps impossible, looking at history but at least attempts should be made. The UK needs to make a few choices for the future.

nanna8

I agree with some others. Trump is not interested in Europe or Russia as his enemy. China is where he will concentrate his efforts. A much bigger and more difficult opponent. Europe must look after itself and seek unity amongst those living there.Perhaps impossible, looking at history but at least attempts should be made. The UK needs to make a few choices for the future.

This is closer to reality Trump is wary of China, and does not want a war in Ukraine to make the US vulnerable to anything China may decide to do. Australia and NZ is very vulnerable to China as Nanna is very aware, not especially military threat, economic threat is much more a reality. Economically a major trade dispute would have a dramatic effect very quickly.

The Chinese are circling Australia with their warships. What’s that all about? Quite frightening. The only thing is, the Chinese already own half of Australia financially so perhaps that will protect us? We are not a strong country in a military sense and our leaders are not strong types,either.

Trump doesn't want war as he says it's bad for business but he has angered China with the tariffs he is imposing on them.
I wonder if China are gearing up for a war with the USA.

China is*

Just sabre rattling.

China uses economic warfare very effectively. I can’t see it putting boots on the ground.

nanna8

The Chinese are circling Australia with their warships. What’s that all about? Quite frightening. The only thing is, the Chinese already own half of Australia financially so perhaps that will protect us? We are not a strong country in a military sense and our leaders are not strong types,either.

I think China is an up and coming worry to the whole world in time.

Can’t see actual warfare. A bit more subtle I’d think!

China has been building a railway across Mongolia to gain rare minerals. It will be interesting to see if USA does a deal with Russia for the minerals in Ukraine.. this is ultimately what all these threats are about.. gaining access to worlds minerals in order to become the worlds AI controller

nanna8

Can’t see actual warfare. A bit more subtle I’d think!

Yes. Wars can be fought in different ways. No need for soldiers invading. Internet cables cut that would cause a lot of damage financially and weaken a country. There are other ways to create havoc for your enemy.l

love0c

Not at all. Trump knows China is the threat. Hence he has managed to get the world's largest chip manufacturer to build their factory in Texas. Lured them away from Taiwan. Other large companies now which need chips in their products will no doubt also move to America. America will grow. China will lose business. Very good for the whole world. China is a threat to us all. People need to wake up to this real threat. Starter most definitely needs to wake up!

Either way = China wins re putting a stop to money-making from "chip" manufacture by Taiwan. I do have sympathies with Taiwan - with having this large aggressive neighbour there on their doorstep and I'm afraid I don't rate their chances against China. I'd almost be willing to lay a bet that Taiwan gets invaded by the Chinese next year - and they certainly have my sympathies on that (given what happened to Tibet and Hong Kong when China got their hands on them).

I was reading a pretty lucid article the other day re the Taiwanese economy being one that produces a lot of these "chips" and the rest of the world being rather dependant on them because of that. This was followed by the author saying "....and Japan is very heavily dependant on Taiwan's computer chips" and then saying ".....and that makes them likely to get involved if (when...!) China invades and ...bingo....World War 3".

I certainly followed the authors logic on that one. Hence, if I were any other country in the world that could do so = I'd try and get my own "chip" manufacturing capability well up to scratch - so as not to be dependant on what did/didn't happen re Taiwan. So that looks the likely reason to me as to why America is trying to attract "largest chip manufacturer" - and I'd be doing that too in their position.

But I've long believed every country needs to be as self-sufficient as possible in every way - and that includes ours.

AGAA4

nanna8

Can’t see actual warfare. A bit more subtle I’d think!

Yes. Wars can be fought in different ways. No need for soldiers invading. Internet cables cut that would cause a lot of damage financially and weaken a country. There are other ways to create havoc for your enemy.l

You're very right on that one too - and there's a battery of ways an agressor country can fight and pile on the pressure besides the traditional "boots on the ground" approach. There would be one heck of a lot of problems for some countries (including ours) in fighting in the traditional way. Partly because it includes knowing your fellow soldiers share a basic set of common values etc and, as a woman, I'd seriously worry whether the soldier behind me might not share any of my (very British) set of values. My (ex armed forces) father explained that one to me decades ago - as he could see what was coming down the line even back in the 1970s and how you needed to know the other soldiers basically thought/acted the same way you did.

So - yep...the cable-cutting is worrying, enemies having access to our Internet is worrying, etc.

I'd seriously worry whether the soldier behind me might not share any of my (very British) set of values. My (ex armed forces) father explained that one to me decades ago - as he could see what was coming down the line even back in the 1970s and how you needed to know the other soldiers basically thought/acted the same way you did.

Good Lord!

Why don't you just come out and say it? No non native Brits in the British army please...😭