Tate brothers

Misogyny gives caring and decent men a bad name. Who should stand up to this? Decent and caring men come on and be better role models on and off-line.

I don't think the media helps either...especially in the world of sport.

My eleven year old GS has heard of the Tate brothers and is aware of their message, as it is discussed amongst his peers.
This child has very carefully monitored access to the Internet, overseen by his vigilant parents but the Tate manifesto spreads everywhere.

Trump has intervened to get them able to travel to Florida. Why would he do that?

Gfplux

Trump has intervened to get them able to travel to Florida. Why would he do that?

Because Florida is Trumps base. Perhaps he wants some younger house guests.

But as I've pointed out on the last page, Florida has opened a criminal investigation on them.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy9dx5d1g5lo

Unless its a set up.

AGAA4

How difficult it will be to restrain the Tates when they are approved of by the president of the USA. Trump doesn't rate women highly.
His ideal citizen is a tough, white, rich male.

Quite, tho luckily (and for a change) Ron de Santis’s Florida is rejecting them and has a lawsuit pending against them. I don’t like De Santis, but in this case he has SOMETHING right

To Foxie48 - the Tate brothers are narcissistic and they are also fascists - just like Trump & Farage. I wish they could get on board one of Musk's rockets & clear off to Mars with Musk on board. I am though baffled why any self respecting woman would have anything to do with The Tates - they are excuses for men.

The Safe Phones Bill was in uk parliament today, adjourned to be discussed on 11th July. About reducing access to smart phones for school children . Hopefully a small step towards reducing the impact of the Tate brothers and their ilk on young impressionable minds.

Jockytaff, it is suggested that the brothers taste in women runs to those drugged, threatened or beaten, and possibly under age.
These were the accusations being investigated in Romania.
I suspect that " self respecting" women are not their sexual partner of choice.

Typo - Safer Phones Bill

They are criminals. Their specialty is trafficking women, the younger the better. Sexually abusing young girls is also something they indulge in. They've also or have plans to start a political party, the Bruv party. Think unfunny version of the Monster Raving Loony Party.

I know they have been charged with offences in Romania, and are wanted in the U.K. for several other offences, but have they been found guilty in a court of law yet?

For young men and adolescents to be interested in these brothers and in some instances look up to them, perhaps it’s time that as a society we educate and care for our boy children differently?

I heard the piece on Woman’ s Hour and thought that how these issues were presented were frightening but also enlightening . If you are involved at all with young boys/ men in any capacity then these are serious issues 2HG h need to be addressed in a calm, mature fashion. I am very pleased not to have to teach anymore though.

They should not be 'stopped' because we value free speech - don't we????
I'm sure that murderer watched a lot of other vile stuff and I'm sure none of it caused him to do what he did - come off it.
They are a product of our time - our time which denigrates young white males, talks all the time about 'toxic masculinity', skews algorithms against white males, is now talking about giving them heftier gaol sentences than people of colour and in short seems to respect nothing that we could call 'traditionally masculine' giving them nowhere to go, nowhere to belong, few inspiring role models etc etc etc - yet seems to be on the brink of expecting them to be prepared to go off and die in the Ukraine. The Tate brothers have come out in opposition to that attitude. Yes they are overtly vile - better that than covertly so.

They should not be 'stopped' because we value free speech - don't we????

We value free speech, but not hate speech.

Here's Tate on what to do if you think your girlfriend is cheating, "It’s bang out the machete, boom in her face and grip her by the neck. Shut up bitch.” ? That's hate speech.

I'm sure that murderer watched a lot of other vile stuff and I'm sure none of it caused him to do what he did - come off it.

Lots of research to prove the link between hate speech and extreme violence. Some here
www.ohchr.org/en/special-procedures/sr-religion-or-belief/hate-speech-and-incitement-hatred-or-violence

Young men still grow up in a world where, due to the pay gap, they will most likely earn more than young women. A world in which they will be significantly over represented in top jobs and where men make up over 85% of the ultra wealthy. The whole world of politics, business, tech, sport and the professions is full of masculine role models for young men.

Men from ethnic minorities get longer custodial sentences than white men. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-what-does-recent-data-say/

undines

They should not be 'stopped' because we value free speech - don't we????
I'm sure that murderer watched a lot of other vile stuff and I'm sure none of it caused him to do what he did - come off it.
They are a product of our time - our time which denigrates young white males, talks all the time about 'toxic masculinity', skews algorithms against white males, is now talking about giving them heftier gaol sentences than people of colour and in short seems to respect nothing that we could call 'traditionally masculine' giving them nowhere to go, nowhere to belong, few inspiring role models etc etc etc - yet seems to be on the brink of expecting them to be prepared to go off and die in the Ukraine. The Tate brothers have come out in opposition to that attitude. Yes they are overtly vile - better that than covertly so.

Rape and human trafficking does not form part of free speeech?

skews algorithms against white males

That doesn't seem to be true either.

dobetter.esade.edu/en/algorithms-equality

Wyllow3

But as I've pointed out on the last page, Florida has opened a criminal investigation on them.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy9dx5d1g5lo

Unless its a set up.

I’m finding this all very suspect, Trump lives in Florida, Trump intervenes to bring them to the USA, then Florida press on ahead with charges? Make absolutely no sense at all to me, but then again not much of Trump’s actions make any sense to me 🙄🙄

undines

They should not be 'stopped' because we value free speech - don't we????
I'm sure that murderer watched a lot of other vile stuff and I'm sure none of it caused him to do what he did - come off it.
They are a product of our time - our time which denigrates young white males, talks all the time about 'toxic masculinity', skews algorithms against white males, is now talking about giving them heftier gaol sentences than people of colour and in short seems to respect nothing that we could call 'traditionally masculine' giving them nowhere to go, nowhere to belong, few inspiring role models etc etc etc - yet seems to be on the brink of expecting them to be prepared to go off and die in the Ukraine. The Tate brothers have come out in opposition to that attitude. Yes they are overtly vile - better that than covertly so.

Are you being serious? With freedom of speech comes responsibility.

The stuff Andrew Tate spouts is bordering on radicalisation to our young men, who are our future.

Young impressionable men, who do not need to be told a women is inferior to a man and that her primary function is to please her man, keep house and breed.

Churchview

*skews algorithms against white males*

That doesn't seem to be true either.

dobetter.esade.edu/en/algorithms-equality

Thats a pretty alarming report on AI. Certainly something to keep an eye on. Is it because it includes historical data and pictures as well as contemporary? Or how else can it turn out some of the data?

Cossy

Wyllow3

But as I've pointed out on the last page, Florida has opened a criminal investigation on them.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy9dx5d1g5lo

Unless its a set up.

I’m finding this all very suspect, Trump lives in Florida, Trump intervenes to bring them to the USA, then Florida press on ahead with charges? Make absolutely no sense at all to me, but then again not much of Trump’s actions make any sense to me 🙄🙄

Well the plan might be to prosecute but set it up to find not guilty.

Wyllow3 I know nothing about AI but I assume it must be based on historical information and data. If someone knows better I'd be very interested to hear.

Cossy, if this is the plan, it won't exonerate the Tate brothers.
There are charges outstanding in Britain , and any allegations about crimes committed in Bedfordshire would need to be tried in Britain. I'm not sure how this applies to Romania.
There are extradition agreements between GB and the USA.

The Tate brothers left Romania while under criminal investigation over accusations of having formed an organised criminal group, in addition to human trafficking, the trafficking of minors, sex with a minor and money laundering. Social media activity isn’t the half of it.

undines

They should not be 'stopped' because we value free speech - don't we????
I'm sure that murderer watched a lot of other vile stuff and I'm sure none of it caused him to do what he did - come off it.
They are a product of our time - our time which denigrates young white males, talks all the time about 'toxic masculinity', skews algorithms against white males, is now talking about giving them heftier gaol sentences than people of colour and in short seems to respect nothing that we could call 'traditionally masculine' giving them nowhere to go, nowhere to belong, few inspiring role models etc etc etc - yet seems to be on the brink of expecting them to be prepared to go off and die in the Ukraine. The Tate brothers have come out in opposition to that attitude. Yes they are overtly vile - better that than covertly so.

undines, your comments seem to me to follow the narrative that society, especially women, are responsible for the Tate brothers and their hideous beliefs and behaviour.
That feels like victim blaming , the kind of horrors we hear from Tate and other men who dislike and want to hurt /dominate women.
They aren’t a product of our tine etc…. They’re a type of male who is angry