Trump’s tariffs. Now it’s the Republic of Ireland’s turn. ☘️

theworriedwell

The thing that struck me was that Martin played it so well. He was friendly, charming, corrected Trump and had Trump agreeing that Ireland had done the right thing. Of all the politicians we've seen meeting trump I think Martin was standout the best.

Like Starmer he is professional and staying calm and measured.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Oh I suppose time will tell.
America elected him to do this. Put America first. He’s looking after their interests.
Judge him after his tenure.
It’s going to be a bumpy ride.

I get what you’re saying, but almost 50% of Americans in reality did not vote for him.

Those, and a few who did actually vote for him, are worried and fuming.

He isnt putting American or Smericans first, he’s putting himself first and I genuinely don’t think he has the first clue about governing a country.

Ooops Americans

karmalady

Trump has shaken many countries out of complacency, a good thing

What complacency?

The complacency of trade agreements?

The complacency of the rule of law?

The complacency of a caring society?

The complacency of knowing and trusting your fellow statesmen

If that is complacency

Then bring it on I say.

Nothing wrong with a bit of complacency!

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I don’t think Trump could end inflation on Day 1. I expect most voters took him to mean that ‘from Day 1’.
They know he has America’s interests paramount in his dealings.

It's this what I cannot understand about people who support the likes of Trump and Farage.

They of course didn't take him literally when he said he would do something. Only 'the other people' would be uniformed enough to do that.

Only the true supporters 'understood' what he was actually saying. Because of this they completely condone that he didn't do the thing he said (in actual words or writing) that he would do. He's denies ever having said or written it as a wry aside and with a knowing twinkle in his eye.

But definitely, of course, without any doubt, he always has their best interests at heart. Despite the fact that he has never articulated a clear plan for that and in every single action the man demonstrates the opposite.

As an aside, those who think he “shook countries out of complacency” and “he puts America first”

Firstly, I don’t believe Canada, Mexico, Panama, Europe or Ukraine were complacent and what Trump has done is make situations where these countries have to waste valuable time and money “fighting” against him.

I very much doubt that those now unemployed with no notice and in some cases no financial recompense think Trump is “on their side”, nor those with long term medical conditions, the disabled, gay people, immigrants already settled, Ukrainian refugees, most women of child bearing age and their doctors and midwives, will all be negatively impacted by Trumps ridiculous beliefs and subsequent executive orders.

Trump cares about Trump. He is not a great statesman nor a “patriot”.

Trump's threat to Russia "do as I say or I'll ruin you".

That's how he's conducted his whole life, both professional and personal, isn't it?
That's why he's spent his whole life taking people to court.

He's a bully whether you're Russia, Canada or the person who has accused him of sexual assault.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I do admire Trump BlueBelle sorry.
I realise I’m a lone voice pretty much on here but there you go.
Mind you there are millions of people with the same viewpoint over in America! 😁

It’s entirely your prerogative, but what specifically do you admire about Trump?

I genuinely don’t understand?

Do people remember the A Level grade problems of 2020 and the “mutant algorithm”.

Byline Times 14 June 2023. Three years ago Jonathan Lis' 'Anti-Prime Minister' article was so popular it crashed the Byline Times website. To celebrate Johnson's resignation as MP, we are republishing this prescient piece.

www.bylinesupplement.com/p/boris-johnson-the-mutant-algorithm

So much of what Lis wrote about Johnson can be said of Trump. These paragraphs stand out:

Here, then, is the difference between an exam and real life. In real life, tackling something important, you will take as much time as you need. If it looks nearly impossible, you will seek to extend the time. In an exam – an ‘A’ Level, say – you have three hours and then have to submit, ready or not.

For Johnson, Brexit is less important than an exam. If it doesn’t work, it doesn’t matter. He will blame someone else and it was fun to try.

And so the key to this game is failure. Johnson does not set out to fail per se. Rather, failure is just another route to winning. He fails to prove the failure won’t hurt him. He sabotages things because he can.

This thinking sounds perverse because it is. It must be understood within the framework, not of governing, but of a game with one necessary victor. Success, stability and predictability are boring. Why not see how far you can push the people who support you? If you can still win with the most danger, the most excitement, inflicting the most damage, why not try?

Isn’t that exactly what Trump is doing right now?

Cossy

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Oh I suppose time will tell.
America elected him to do this. Put America first. He’s looking after their interests.
Judge him after his tenure.
It’s going to be a bumpy ride.

I get what you’re saying, but almost 50% of Americans in reality did not vote for him.

Those, and a few who did actually vote for him, are worried and fuming.

He isnt putting American or Smericans first, he’s putting himself first and I genuinely don’t think he has the first clue about governing a country.

Ninety million eligible Americans didn't vote for either candidate. Voters not voting, plus Harris 48% equals far more votes than for him.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/13/why-eligible-voters-did-not-vote

The UK has been hit with the steel tariff, 25% as have other countries. The UK exports hundreds of millions of pounds worth of steel to the US every year, which will be subject to the 25% levy.

"Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer has said the UK will "keep all options on the table" as US President Donald Trump's tariffs on imports of steel and aluminium take effect." ie not going immediately down the road of counter tariff - talks are in progress. Few are calling for immediate retaliatory tariffs atm tho calling for a "robust approach" (without saying what)

This article discusses the effects it could have and reactions.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2r3md0j84o

It was obvious from the start that he would put tariffs on . As far as he is concerned he is supporting America and no one else. I don’t think he has worked out that it will, in the end, make it so much worse for his country. Europe will despise him, Canada already does. He doesn’t work out long term consequences.

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What an unpleasant post.

Indeed.

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Trump has complained that Europe have put a nasty 50% tariff on bourbon. He will put 200% on champagne and wines.
It's all getting out of hand now.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

That’s part of his charm. He gets things done Casdon.
He’s a disruptor.

Seriously? This is crazy even for you.

And now a scotch tarif.
Trump wants to break up the EU as does Putin, that is their plan.
Stage one was Brexit with both their money backing Uk supporters.

Barleyfields

What an unpleasant post.

Not the first and sure as eggs are eggs it won’t be the last.

To me it seems that neither Trump nor his advisers seem to have realised that by increasing what he calls tariffs and the rest of us custom duty on goods coming in to the US from other countries, he will finish up damaging the American economy.

Take for instance the fact that the US does not produce much, if any, aliminium, but they use a lot. It comes from Canada.

Trump believes he is harming Canada by increasing duty on goods imported from there, but is he?

Surely, Canada can sell aliminium practically anywhere in the world, and will, as we all will, sell our goods to our best advantage, which is not going to be by sending them til America.

Well this subject is really sorting out the goats from the sheep. Although I have always known what some of the posters really were having seen similar posts on Twitter and FaceBook. If war does happen the internment camps are going to be quite full of foreign sympathisers.

AGAA4

Trump has complained that Europe have put a nasty 50% tariff on bourbon. He will put 200% on champagne and wines.
It's all getting out of hand now.

Just so childish. Does he seriously think that this can end well?

Trump doesn’t realise that putting tariffs on many goods will make Americans worse off and push up prices, a bit like Brexit. As for sacking air traffic controllers, park rangers and the like not sure how that is a step forward but perhaps Trump fans can explain.