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BBC calling President Zelensky *Mr*Zelensky

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AGAA4 Sat 15-Mar-25 11:04:26

I watched BBC Points of View this morning and people had complained about reporters saying President Trump and Mr Zelensky.
They were demeaning Zelensky by not giving him his title of President.
I do get irritated by the BBC quite a lot lately.

Wyllow3 Sun 16-Mar-25 11:07:11

The reporting on Ukraine on the whole, by the BBC has been excellent, and consistent, it's often the main feature on I player. It's the only news source I have found that consistently reports events day after day and is up on the running news choice even when there is nothing new to report.

One example of failing to give Zelensky his proper title is a really regrettable omission amongst millions of words/thousands of reports and is hardly a sign of overall bad reporting on the Ukraine.

Doodledog Sun 16-Mar-25 11:22:03

Agreed, Wyllow. We all trip over words from time to time, and it's very easy to get things wrong (it must be worse when cameras are on, too). I think if it was a slip of the tongue it is entirely forgivable. If not, however (as in the case of the dentist and HV I referred to upthread) then it's not.

grumppa Sun 16-Mar-25 11:42:21

Not according Zelensky his title was clearly wrong, but I wonder whether the length of his name, compared with Trump, had anything to do with it - a sort of sub-conscious attempt to get near to balancing the number of syllables. That might explain it, but it certainly doesn't excuse it.

Wyllow3 Sun 16-Mar-25 12:01:17

Silverbrook gave the reference on page 1

I’ve found it at 1:57 min

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00292d5/breakfast-15032025

doubt it will happen again. I suspect a microscopic examination of all news media on it would reveal similar issues?

Rosie51 Sun 16-Mar-25 12:23:27

Another reason it's important to give President Zelensky his title is otherwise it plays into the President Trump handbook where he's referring to Prime Minister Trudeau as Governor Trudeau, a nod to his desire for the country of Canada to become the 51st state. It's no secret he wants President Zelensky ousted from office.

Wyllow3 Sun 16-Mar-25 12:30:53

I hadn't spotted that one (Governor)

Iam64 Sun 16-Mar-25 13:51:03

How anyone can see Trump as MAGA and not a risk to the world I can’t imagine

AGAA4 Sun 16-Mar-25 14:03:32

There was no apology for calling President Zelensky Mr but the BBC very quickly demanded an apology for calling Izzard a man.
Eddie Izzard is a man and President Zelensky is not just known as Mr.

Wyllow3 Sun 16-Mar-25 14:29:53

Thinking about it AGAA4 I'm thinking of the thousands of references made in whole of the press to Zelensky

.... and the probability that its happened more than once in various publications - (I saw one which used "Putin" alongside "President Zelensky") not sure if its an apology case or not? Certainly not a stick to beat the BBC specifically with when their general coverage on Ukraine and sympathy to Zelensky is so good.

I don't think an apology to Eddie Izzard was necessary at all. Just looked it up and only the DailyT making a fuss about it. A young presenter trying to "get it right" and managing to "get it wrong" I don't see the big deal.

AGAA4 Sun 16-Mar-25 14:45:53

I do trust BBC news in general and read the news on the website every day.
One of the reasons I get irritated by the BBC is the way they try to bring perfectly good drama up to date as in the recent production of Towards Zero. (There is a thread on this)
They are on the whole very good at producing drama and have excelled in dramas such as War and Peace. To try to modernise stories such as those written by Agatha Christie just spoils it for me.

Galaxy Sun 16-Mar-25 14:48:29

And again thank god the telegraph is there to highlight the madness. They have been much more a friend to women on this issue than the BBC.

AGAA4 Sun 16-Mar-25 14:52:23

Galaxy

And again thank god the telegraph is there to highlight the madness. They have been much more a friend to women on this issue than the BBC.

How is the Daily Telegraph a friend to women? Genuine question.

Galaxy Sun 16-Mar-25 15:00:35

It has highlighted this issue frequently, as has The Spectator, and more importantly allowed women to talk about it. Many of the feminists who used to write for the guardian now would choose to wrote for The Times, the Spectator, etc. It has been an utter shock to us lefty feminists I can tell you, but we are where we are.

AGAA4 Sun 16-Mar-25 15:05:54

Thank you Galaxy but still not sure what "this issue" is.

Galaxy Sun 16-Mar-25 15:06:42

Oh sorry the gender issue, men in women's spaces, pretending men are women, etc etc.

AGAA4 Sun 16-Mar-25 15:09:00

It is a difficult issue for everyone I think. Thank you for explaining.

Wyllow3 Sun 16-Mar-25 15:19:20

It is a difficult issue - I would describe myself as a lefty feminist and have since 1970 odd - but there are ime many shades of agreements and disagreements.