Reform UK candidate who praised Hitler and Assad put in charge of vetting

Quote Claremont Mon 17-Mar-25 09:39:47
Reform have turned to another kind of hate, Islamophobia, as their mainly support Netanyahu and his friends Trump and Putin.

Why are Synagogues at risk but nor Mosques

Oreo

I didn’t think that Reform would continue growing much more as it seemed to be just the voters giving the main political parties a bloody nose in the last election.But unless Labour do well in the next couple of years I fear that both Labour and Conservative voters may go over to them, I didn’t think this before but I do now.😲

I did think it would keep going.
I know plenty of poeple who are disallusioned with the main Parties. And several more voters are not that far off.

I did think would keep going but its long term future depends on it getting its house in order and what real signs have we of that?

It has no proper structure and what sort of participation do Reform members' have as regards making policy or choosing leaders?

Maybe “disillusioned” voters should be looking at doing things other than joining Reform.

Looking at supporting other better established parties, LibDems, Greens, etc.

They could write and lobby their MPs, research why some unpopular polices are being implemented.

I could never EVER lend my vote to any party like Reform, I’d rather spoil my ballot paper and eat my own arm!

glasshalffullagain

The silent chip on shoulder " they come here and take our jobs" mentality.They are and always will be a group of people devoted to racism, nothing more and nothing less.

Indeed!

I can assure you Mosque's are very much at risk in many parts of the world, and in Gaza much more so.

Claremont

I can assure you Mosque's are very much at risk in many parts of the world, and in Gaza much more so.

Mosques here have been desecrated and damaged in the past.

I think all places of worship should be respected.

Agreed, but the far right have attacked Mosques (no 's) all ver the world, in UK too. In Germany about 1000 attacks on mosques since 2014.

Cossy ghfa... same old condescending boring references.
Of course they're racists, of course they are uneducated.
Cossy I was sorry to see your name alongside those comments.

Although I concede the op is encouraging exactly these reactions. So to be expected I guess?

May I suggest people begin to look at Reform as just controlled opposition?

They could hoover up disenfranchised Labour voters and homeless Conservatives, and might well win the next election.

But never fear, if you turn a deaf ear to the rhetoric (which has already changed somewhat), and just take account of what they actually do you will find they will be bowing the knee to the globalist agenda just as all the gov. for the last, I don't know, 30-50years has?

As such they will melt into the soggy corrupt
immoral morass we call the establishment soon enough.

If anyone felt like breaking out of the for-ever-cycle of virtue signaling their own party, and throwing ad hominems at those who disagree, there are some extremely good websites, podcasters, and debates out there, which give either both sides or more facets to our current problems. Intelligence Squared is good.

I do conceed though, that most of us don't come onto social media sites to change our minds.
Research has shown we just want to reasure ourselves of our original position by hearing it from others.
That's why the algorithms are set to reflect our likes.

Soon if not already, we will be arguing and agreeing with AI bots put there specifically to quell the plebs (you and I).
Which is exactly what Reform is there for.

I'm quite sure
NF, Zia Ysef, and RT are slavering hoping to be rewarded with a seat at the table, a healthy bank balance and most likely a gong at the end of their days.

I long to see a positive healthy future for the Uk, but it won't come via the parties on offer atm, I'm afraid.

^But never fear, if you turn a deaf ear to the rhetoric (which has already changed somewhat), and just take account of what they actually do you will find they will be bowing the knee to the globalist agenda just as all the gov. for the last, I don't know, 30-50years has?
^

Why do you think that?

Though I am not disputing you could end up being correct.

Frankly I hardly have a clue what you are talking about namsnanny.

What is a "globalist agenda" that we are all apparently bowing down to unless we vote for Reform?

These algorithms on what? GN? Whose AI bots? Are Reform using algorithms?

Reform is there to quell the plebs?

Could you actually address the O/P, which is about who is controlling/selecting candidates for Reform, and what their politics are? Do you agree its a suitable choice?

Cossy

Maybe “disillusioned” voters should be looking at doing things other than joining Reform.

Looking at supporting other better established parties, LibDems, Greens, etc.

They could write and lobby their MPs, research why some unpopular polices are being implemented.

I could never EVER lend my vote to any party like Reform, I’d rather spoil my ballot paper and eat my own arm!

Where do I start with this post?!

Most people I know have better things to do with their lives, than doing political things.
I could list the things they find more important, but wont.
But certainly will if you want me too.

Supporting other Parties - nope. Not the people I know.
[Fwiw, I personally tend to know older people and young adults, rather than the middle aged].

Lobby MPs - you do have a point there. Not much for anyone to do.

Research - I think they are already quite well informed, most of them. That is the problem.

If people are very interested in politics, who is to say there are "better things?" Isnt it up to the individual?

Cossy and I were talking about "disallusioned" voters.
They may or may not be very interested in politics.
Of the ones I know, there is a mix.

I'm less than happy with the big political parties Namsnanny
Disillusioned you might say.

Please share what is hopeful, positive, inspiring about Reform?

Thanks

Another rude and condescending post 'most people I know have better things to do with their lives'!

Not interested in politics? so you are not interested in education, health care, social care, roads and transports, the environment, food safety, the list goes on and on, and on. In which case, I do wonder what you do care about?

And this ridiculous concept that those who are interested in 'politics' and all the above + more, have miserable, depressive and lonely lives- is, again, so rude and so wrong too.

Yes, you can be interested and take an active part, and still have fun and enjoy life, family and friends to the full. Honestly!

glasshalffullagain

I'm less than happy with the big political parties Namsnanny
Disillusioned you might say.

Please share what is hopeful, positive, inspiring about Reform?

Thanks

I think you may have misread my post 😀

Claremont

Another rude and condescending post 'most people I know have better things to do with their lives'!

Not interested in politics? so you are not interested in education, health care, social care, roads and transports, the environment, food safety, the list goes on and on, and on. In which case, I do wonder what you do care about?

And this ridiculous concept that those who are interested in 'politics' and all the above + more, have miserable, depressive and lonely lives- is, again, so rude and so wrong too.

Yes, you can be interested and take an active part, and still have fun and enjoy life, family and friends to the full. Honestly!

So many things wrong with that post that I am not going to bother to go through it.

Better things to do
Oh let me think now
Putting food on table
Giving birth
Childcare
Looking after elderly or dying parents
Multiple hospital visits
Massive failing health

Need I go on?
I can.

All more important than Politics.

I could be rude in replying too, but will hold further posting for now.

Namsnanny

glasshalffullagain

I'm less than happy with the big political parties Namsnanny
Disillusioned you might say.

Please share what is hopeful, positive, inspiring about Reform?

Thanks

I think you may have misread my post 😀

I've waded through it again and I'm none the wiser tbh.

Ok so I know posts wander but this one went off on one.
fancy that lists all the things that are more important than politics.
The personal is political as we old feminists know. All the issues listed are impacted by politics. Not least ‘giving birth’ which is more dangerous now than when I last did it in 1986. I had the same local midwife and GP throughout, I went to relaxation classes at my local health centre. I met the health visitor who would take over after my midwife
None of this exists now - a political choice

I would normally be the last person to defend anything Jack Aaron said but it is generally accepted by most historians that many of the Germans thought Hitler was brilliant at inspiring, probably because he was. It goes without saying that he was also a monster and goes down in history as one of the most evil dictators in the known history of the world.

Evil dictators almost always have this quality for some people, it is how they rise to become dictators in the first place.

glasshalffullagain

Namsnanny

glasshalffullagain

I'm less than happy with the big political parties Namsnanny
Disillusioned you might say.

Please share what is hopeful, positive, inspiring about Reform?

Thanks

I think you may have misread my post 😀

I've waded through it again and I'm none the wiser tbh.

Yup, me too.
Or what this global conspiracy alluded to is that Brave Reform are Taking On

Namsnanny

Cossy ghfa... same old condescending boring references.
Of course they're racists, of course they are uneducated.
Cossy I was sorry to see your name alongside those comments.

Although I concede the op is encouraging exactly these reactions. So to be expected I guess?

May I suggest people begin to look at Reform as just controlled opposition?

They could hoover up disenfranchised Labour voters and homeless Conservatives, and might well win the next election.

But never fear, if you turn a deaf ear to the rhetoric (which has already changed somewhat), and just take account of what they actually do you will find they will be bowing the knee to the globalist agenda just as all the gov. for the last, I don't know, 30-50years has?

As such they will melt into the soggy corrupt
immoral morass we call the establishment soon enough.

If anyone felt like breaking out of the for-ever-cycle of virtue signaling their own party, and throwing ad hominems at those who disagree, there are some extremely good websites, podcasters, and debates out there, which give either both sides or more facets to our current problems. Intelligence Squared is good.

I do conceed though, that most of us don't come onto social media sites to change our minds.
Research has shown we just want to reasure ourselves of our original position by hearing it from others.
That's why the algorithms are set to reflect our likes.

Soon if not already, we will be arguing and agreeing with AI bots put there specifically to quell the plebs (you and I).
Which is exactly what Reform is there for.

I'm quite sure
NF, Zia Ysef, and RT are slavering hoping to be rewarded with a seat at the table, a healthy bank balance and most likely a gong at the end of their days.

I long to see a positive healthy future for the Uk, but it won't come via the parties on offer atm, I'm afraid.

The thing is I don’t see Reform as “Controlled Opposition”

I don’t begin to understand what their ethos or policies are, all I remember from their now defunct election contract is getting rid of all asylum seekers, along with some other migrants & having a tax allowance of £20,000.

All I’ve seen since they won 5 seats is a vanishing Farage, infighting and five become four.

What are their policies on education, the nhs (other than admiring the USA model), public transport, security, building, social housing, employment, climate change, energy?

I have no clue, do you?

fancythat

Cossy and I were talking about "disallusioned" voters.
They may or may not be very interested in politics.
Of the ones I know, there is a mix.

I tend to agree.