Reform UK candidate who praised Hitler and Assad put in charge of vetting

Cossy

Namsnanny

Cossy ghfa... same old condescending boring references.
Of course they're racists, of course they are uneducated.
Cossy I was sorry to see your name alongside those comments.

Although I concede the op is encouraging exactly these reactions. So to be expected I guess?

May I suggest people begin to look at Reform as just controlled opposition?

They could hoover up disenfranchised Labour voters and homeless Conservatives, and might well win the next election.

But never fear, if you turn a deaf ear to the rhetoric (which has already changed somewhat), and just take account of what they actually do you will find they will be bowing the knee to the globalist agenda just as all the gov. for the last, I don't know, 30-50years has?

As such they will melt into the soggy corrupt
immoral morass we call the establishment soon enough.

If anyone felt like breaking out of the for-ever-cycle of virtue signaling their own party, and throwing ad hominems at those who disagree, there are some extremely good websites, podcasters, and debates out there, which give either both sides or more facets to our current problems. Intelligence Squared is good.

I do conceed though, that most of us don't come onto social media sites to change our minds.
Research has shown we just want to reasure ourselves of our original position by hearing it from others.
That's why the algorithms are set to reflect our likes.

Soon if not already, we will be arguing and agreeing with AI bots put there specifically to quell the plebs (you and I).
Which is exactly what Reform is there for.

I'm quite sure
NF, Zia Ysef, and RT are slavering hoping to be rewarded with a seat at the table, a healthy bank balance and most likely a gong at the end of their days.

I long to see a positive healthy future for the Uk, but it won't come via the parties on offer atm, I'm afraid.

The thing is I don’t see Reform as “Controlled Opposition”

I don’t begin to understand what their ethos or policies are, all I remember from their now defunct election contract is getting rid of all asylum seekers, along with some other migrants & having a tax allowance of £20,000.

All I’ve seen since they won 5 seats is a vanishing Farage, infighting and five become four.

What are their policies on education, the nhs (other than admiring the USA model), public transport, security, building, social housing, employment, climate change, energy?

I have no clue, do you?

I think that namsnanny is promoting conspiracy-based notions that conventional parties/politicians are so "corrupt", that disruption, breaking society down, is the only way a "new order" will emerge.

Hence the apparently contradictory statements in the post,

hence (for example) Musk's support for the breakdown of civil order in the riots,

hence the rejection of Rupert `Lowe who wanted a proper organisation and clear policy statements

and hence any statements of clearly defined policies. You won't get answers to specifics.

As I see it the leaders of Reform are all very rich people, not wanting more money but rather, power and prestige. That is why it is curious that they attract so many Labour voters who probably need to see them a bit more clearly for what they really represent. I suppose with those like Starmer and Rachel Reeves in charge they are looking for a good home. 🏠

Indigo8

I would normally be the last person to defend anything Jack Aaron said but it is generally accepted by most historians that many of the Germans thought Hitler was brilliant at inspiring, probably because he was. It goes without saying that he was also a monster and goes down in history as one of the most evil dictators in the known history of the world.

Evil dictators almost always have this quality for some people, it is how they rise to become dictators in the first place.

I think I largely agree.

Though some must get it by brute force? Or nepotism? or a mix of both?

I think Hit ler must have been inspirational. Especially at the beginiing.
Though the population were already unhappy with their lot? Finances? And loss of previous war?

nanna8

As I see it the leaders of Reform are all very rich people, not wanting more money but rather, power and prestige. That is why it is curious that they attract so many Labour voters who probably need to see them a bit more clearly for what they really represent. I suppose with those like Starmer and Rachel Reeves in charge they are looking for a good home. 🏠

Do they attract many Labour voters?

I completely agree that in the beginning Hitler was inspirational, he seemed to have a great grasp of economics at a time Germany was suffering economically and he was a great orator.

Then…. Who knows, he completely lost the plot!

I don't think they do.

You Gov stats from 2019 and 2024 show that it was predominantly people who voted Tory in 2019 who switched to Reform last year e.g. in 2019 67% of people age 70+ voted Tory. In 2024, 46% voted Tory and 15% voted Reform. Similar stats for 60-69 age group.

I'm not seeing the function to add an image so here are the links instead:

2019:

yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/26925-how-britain-voted-2019-general-election

2024

yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49978-how-britain-voted-in-the-2024-general-election

What we saw in 2024 was a shift towards the LibDems and Greens among younger voters.

Sad to say, the lower the educational attainment the more likely someone is to vote Tory or Reform suggesting they are more drawn to populism.

Sad to say, the lower the educational attainment the more likely someone is to vote Tory or Reform suggesting they are more drawn to populism

One day we'll learn that comments like this is causing the left to continue disintegrating in the western world.

Cossy

Namsnanny

Cossy ghfa... same old condescending boring references.
Of course they're racists, of course they are uneducated.
Cossy I was sorry to see your name alongside those comments.

Although I concede the op is encouraging exactly these reactions. So to be expected I guess?

May I suggest people begin to look at Reform as just controlled opposition?

They could hoover up disenfranchised Labour voters and homeless Conservatives, and might well win the next election.

But never fear, if you turn a deaf ear to the rhetoric (which has already changed somewhat), and just take account of what they actually do you will find they will be bowing the knee to the globalist agenda just as all the gov. for the last, I don't know, 30-50years has?

As such they will melt into the soggy corrupt
immoral morass we call the establishment soon enough.

If anyone felt like breaking out of the for-ever-cycle of virtue signaling their own party, and throwing ad hominems at those who disagree, there are some extremely good websites, podcasters, and debates out there, which give either both sides or more facets to our current problems. Intelligence Squared is good.

I do conceed though, that most of us don't come onto social media sites to change our minds.
Research has shown we just want to reasure ourselves of our original position by hearing it from others.
That's why the algorithms are set to reflect our likes.

Soon if not already, we will be arguing and agreeing with AI bots put there specifically to quell the plebs (you and I).
Which is exactly what Reform is there for.

I'm quite sure
NF, Zia Ysef, and RT are slavering hoping to be rewarded with a seat at the table, a healthy bank balance and most likely a gong at the end of their days.

I long to see a positive healthy future for the Uk, but it won't come via the parties on offer atm, I'm afraid.

The thing is I don’t see Reform as “Controlled Opposition”

I don’t begin to understand what their ethos or policies are, all I remember from their now defunct election contract is getting rid of all asylum seekers, along with some other migrants & having a tax allowance of £20,000.

All I’ve seen since they won 5 seats is a vanishing Farage, infighting and five become four.

What are their policies on education, the nhs (other than admiring the USA model), public transport, security, building, social housing, employment, climate change, energy?

I have no clue, do you?

No, but maybe that's the point?
Catch votes because people can imagine (based on NF unclear rhetoric), they might do something for their community?
Or at least they arn't the other parties!

My opinion about them being controlled opposition, time will tell.
If they keep taking on ex members from both labour, Cons and I gather Libdem, it remains to be seen where their true policies lie.

Reform has a strange relationship with a so called charity Hope not Hate. Simultaneously paying for vetting services, and claiming they are not to ne trusted.
HnH have a dodgy history.

My main difficulty is with the continuing ad hominem attacks suggesting people who hold certain views (could be anything) are without intelligence/education or only concerned with themselves, ie employment, wages etc.

It's a position which elicits no discussion and therefore no understanding.

Rula

*Sad to say, the lower the educational attainment the more likely someone is to vote Tory or Reform suggesting they are more drawn to populism*

One day we'll learn that comments like this is causing the left to continue disintegrating in the western world.

In one sense I hope they keep up such accusations.
All the easier to spot where the actual intolerant people decide to put their votes.

Rula

*Sad to say, the lower the educational attainment the more likely someone is to vote Tory or Reform suggesting they are more drawn to populism*

One day we'll learn that comments like this is causing the left to continue disintegrating in the western world.

I'm simply reporting the results of a YouGov poll which show that people were drawn to the populism of Johnson and once he was gone, the populism of Farage.

Many now fear immigrants, they will vote for reform because
they believe immigrants are the cause of the failings of the NHS, housing, ,no mention of education , older voters not the young

Rula

*Sad to say, the lower the educational attainment the more likely someone is to vote Tory or Reform suggesting they are more drawn to populism*

One day we'll learn that comments like this is causing the left to continue disintegrating in the western world.

Here is the U Gov very detailed summary that breaks the 2024 vote down in all possible ways (age, gender, education)

yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49978-how-britain-voted-in-the-2024-general-election

What Silverbrook said is actually technically correct.

That doesn't mean to say we have to view it in a pejorative way.

It's of value for parties seeing where their support comes from. For example, the fact that 5% more of Reform support came from men not women has very substantial interest, as does the age distribution.

Rula

*Sad to say, the lower the educational attainment the more likely someone is to vote Tory or Reform suggesting they are more drawn to populism*

One day we'll learn that comments like this is causing the left to continue disintegrating in the western world.

Your statement is as sweepingly daft as the one you’re disputing.

Rula

*Sad to say, the lower the educational attainment the more likely someone is to vote Tory or Reform suggesting they are more drawn to populism*

One day we'll learn that comments like this is causing the left to continue disintegrating in the western world.

I’m just not sure I agree completely with that assertion Rula at all.

It’s the same as saying all Trump supporters are all dim!

It’s simply not true, I don’t personally know any Regirm supporters, but I do know a few Tories, they are all pretty bright people, most of them attended Uni.

*Reform

A lot rests on the use of the word "populism" which has been applied to both right and left wing groups.

Particularly use with caution in terms of associating it with lower educational achievement since it's in the past been used in a completely different way, ie against the sort of politics that Reform currently espouse not for them.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

Let’s just move away from personal attacks on people who support specific parties.

I cannot even pretend to understand why people are drawn to Reform or Trump, but it’s their right, and good luck to them!

I wasn’t intending to be pejorative. It was a statement of fact based on a good-sized poll.

What worries me is that people with a lower-level of educational attainment are more likely to be the people who lack the critical thinking skills to see what right-wing populists are really trying to do.

It’s why senior Reform figures chose to stand in certain constituencies. Why did Farage chose to stand in Clacton? Why did he not parachute into a constituency in London, Oxford or Cambridge or the West Country? He chose the only constituency where UKIP had ever won seat, by a candidate who had flipped from the Tories.

It’s a constituency where educational attainment is below average, where the number of skilled workers is below average, where levels of crime are above average. It has an older than average population and is predominantly white-British. Having been elected, what is he actually doing for his constituents? The evidence suggests very little. He used the people of Clacton to get what he wanted which was a seat in Parliament and the pay cheque not because he wanted to work for them.

And let me ask people this. Why do you think that Reform wants to abolish Quantitative Easing and has already laid a bill before Parliament to that effect? It will fail but nonetheless, it’s what they want.

Can anyone explain what would happen if the UK had another crisis as it did in 2008, 2020 and 2022? What would happen if the government could not create new money to get the country and its people through a crisis?

Why is Reform against Quantitative Easing , Silverbrook (lack of knowledge question)

Watch Richard Murphy explain:

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2025/01/15/reform-wants-to-destroy-the-uk-economy/

Listen out for the word crypto and wonder why Christopher Harborne is funding some of Farage's jaunts to the USA.

His other backer for US jaunts is George Cottrell who served eight months in jail in the USA for wire fraud.

www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/03/george-cottrell-nigel-farage-reform-uk-montenegro

And this:

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/27/trump-meme-coin-cryptocurrency