I wonder what does Selena Gomez have to say about this?

Two completely separate issues going on here.

1. An artist is expressing the emotion of a policy that broadly speaking is taking people, many settled and working, not criminal, dividing families, making some terrible errors.
Thats what artists do.

2. Serious, dangerous criminals are arrested and held. This is justified and good news as long as due process is eventually delivered.

Well said Wyllow

I think that Mexico and Venezuela ate different places.

Well now today, 238 members of the feared Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua are deported from America and hauled into El Salvador's notoriously tough Terrorism Confinement Centre

I've just seen the footage of this! Looked just like a film.

Wyllow3

Two completely separate issues going on here.

1. An artist is expressing the emotion of a policy that broadly speaking is taking people, many settled and working, not criminal, dividing families, making some terrible errors.
Thats what artists do.

2. Serious, dangerous criminals are arrested and held. This is justified and good news as long as due process is eventually delivered.

Two completely separate issues going on here.

Yes.

You never stop trying do you?,

Just a reminder to folks reading at home that the Venezuelans sent to El Salvador have not been given due process. The only way we know for sure they are gang members is because Trump says so.

A judge ordered Trump to turn those planes around yesterday because he was in violation of the constitution, he refused. So now he, again, broke the law.

This thread appears to have been created to cheer on people having their civil rights and due process violated, then sent to a country they did not start in, to be held in camps. Once they get to El Salvador, they will have no access to anyone to help them.

It is beyond distasteful that anyone in the world would actually cheer on a person who is willfully violating peoples civil rights and ignoring the law.

imaround
Thanks for extra info.
I have been away so not caught up yet. I knew a flight had been stopped but thought these other people were "suspects" being held pending prosecution. I don't agree with deportation by nationality! Like Wyllow I do want to see due process.

Trump said he didn't have to turn the planes around because they were already over international waters so the ruling didn't apply.

abcnews.go.com/US/trump-admin-ignores-judges-order-bring-deportation-planes/story?id=119857181

There are 600,000 Venezuelans here legally on Temporary Protrcted Status. He revoked that status.

He could be deporting these people as well but we would never know because he isn't allowing due process.

www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/trump-administration-ends-tps-for-350000-venezuelans/3533900/

Also, this is how immigrants are being treated when being detained.

This German man ended up hospitalized.

www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-green-card-holder-stripped-naked-interrogated-by-immigration-officials-at-airport-report-7935760

A Canadian woman ended up in chains on the Southern Border. Both of these people are in the US legally.

Here is another case of "why was this person deported?"

Here legally. Had a sponsor for her visa. Paid her taxes. Is in a specialty that has a shortage.

www.nytimes.com/2025/03/16/us/brown-university-rasha-alawieh-professor-deported.html

Many examples of legal people who aren't gang members being targeted by Trunps team.

A senior administration official told CBS News, the BBC's US partner, that 261 people were deported on Saturday, 137 of whom were removed under the Alien Enemies Act over alleged gang ties

So on what basis were the others removed? US law demands “due process How selected?

Trump used an old 227 year law the Alien Enemies Act to avoid due process..

“US President Donald Trump announced on Saturday that he had signed a proclamation invoking the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 as he accused Tren de Aragua of "perpetrating, attempting, and threatening an invasion or predatory incursion against the territory of the United States".

He said members of the gang would be deported for engaging in "irregular warfare" against the US. The Alien Enemies Act was last used during World War Two to intern Japanese-American civilians” .

As said above, legal investigations as to whether the removal was proper as it circumvents due process. under this law called for a 14 day stay, but were ignored by Trump.

*The case raises constitutional questions since, under the US system of checks and balances, government agencies are expected to comply with a federal judge's ruling

This is probably one of the most worrying features of this story if rule of law is ignored

El Salvador is being paid by Trump to hold these men for a year, but what happens after that? Let loose in El Salvador? Trump pays for another year?*

Well word’sgetting around.

The number of migrants caught illegally crossing the US southern border has dropped by 82% since Trump’s immigration crackdown.

In February, 8,347 people were arrested trying to illegally cross the border, according to US border patrol statistics, putting the new administration on track for the lowest year of migrant crossings in decades.

If the current trend holds for the remainder of the year, migrant arrests in the US could fall to their lowest level since the mid-1960s, according to the New York Times.

U.S. District Judge James E. Boasberg issued an order Saturday temporarily blocking the deportations the Trump administration planned to enact under the Alien Enemies Act of 1798. Lawyers then told Boasberg that there were already two planes with hundreds of immigrants in the air — one headed for El Salvador, the other for Honduras.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt responded to speculation about whether the administration was ignoring court orders by saying, “The administration did not ‘refuse to comply’ with a court order. The order, which had no lawful basis, was issued after terrorist TdA aliens had already been removed from U.S. territory.” (“TdA” = the Tren de Aragua gang).

It depends on what levels of border supervision can be maintained and for how long, FGT?

Its a huge, complex border and at the moment a mixture of border police and now the military are guarding it at great expense.

Its estimated that the military additions alone could be between one and two billion dollars

rollcall.com/2025/03/05/yearly-cost-of-trumps-border-missions-could-exceed-1-billion/

imaround

You never stop trying do you?,

Just a reminder to folks reading at home that the Venezuelans sent to El Salvador have not been given due process. The only way we know for sure they are gang members is because Trump says so.

A judge ordered Trump to turn those planes around yesterday because he was in violation of the constitution, he refused. So now he, again, broke the law.

This thread appears to have been created to cheer on people having their civil rights and due process violated, then sent to a country they did not start in, to be held in camps. Once they get to El Salvador, they will have no access to anyone to help them.

It is beyond distasteful that anyone in the world would actually cheer on a person who is willfully violating peoples civil rights and ignoring the law.

Many of us here in the UK would not support OP on this thread.

Due process must be followed, whether they are gang members or not, I, for one, certainly would never take Trump’s word for anything.

He’s a proven lying law breaker (as well as being as mad as a box of frogs)

imaround

You never stop trying do you?,

Just a reminder to folks reading at home that the Venezuelans sent to El Salvador have not been given due process. The only way we know for sure they are gang members is because Trump says so.

A judge ordered Trump to turn those planes around yesterday because he was in violation of the constitution, he refused. So now he, again, broke the law.

This thread appears to have been created to cheer on people having their civil rights and due process violated, then sent to a country they did not start in, to be held in camps. Once they get to El Salvador, they will have no access to anyone to help them.

It is beyond distasteful that anyone in the world would actually cheer on a person who is willfully violating peoples civil rights and ignoring the law.

Of course is abhorrent to ignore human rights and due process. Perhaps those cheering it on are actually in favour of this because they see any migrant regardless of status as a criminal and would perhaps like to see it happen in the UK/Europe.
Is shameful.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

U.S. District Judge James E. Boasberg issued an order Saturday temporarily blocking the deportations the Trump administration planned to enact under the Alien Enemies Act of 1798. Lawyers then told Boasberg that there were already two planes with hundreds of immigrants in the air — one headed for El Salvador, the other for Honduras.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt responded to speculation about whether the administration was ignoring court orders by saying, “The administration did not ‘refuse to comply’ with a court order. The order, which had no lawful basis, was issued after terrorist TdA aliens had already been removed from U.S. territory.” (“TdA” = the Tren de Aragua gang).

Well, the difficulties in legalities are because of the use of the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 which hasn't been used since WW2 which doesn't need "due process".

The abolition of due process is a dangerous precedent, do you not think, in broad terms? opens the way to deal with citizens you simply don't like or agree with?

An immediate question is that of the 261 people deported on Saturday, only 137 of were removed under the Alien Enemies Act over alleged gang ties.

What of the 124 remaining people who were just loaded onto a plane with no known gang ties?

Babs Completely agree. It’s both shameful and abhorrent.

Sadly there are too many people who see migrants as enemies I just hope those with that outlook in the UK only buy British, prepare British dishes, watch only British TV, drive British cars, have British dentists and GPs and always holiday in the UK! Haha!

Legal and illegal migration are two different entities.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Legal and illegal migration are two different entities.

Actually in many ways they are not.

In Trumps first term he caused utter chaos by refusing legitimate people, with current visas/green cards back into the country after they made visits abroad.

The way he is treating entire cohorts of communities is just wrong!

In Trumps first term he caused utter chaos by refusing legitimate people, with current visas/green cards back into the country after they made visits abroad

This was done for a reason.
It was Muslim countries and I can’t remember the rationale now.

FGT Guess we just have to agree to disagree.

I think what he did and does are wrong, you don’t.

Have a great week

You too Cossy 😁