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Wyllow3 Fri 28-Mar-25 13:12:44

Here's the story...

Trump still plans to annex Greenland - on Wednesday he said “that the US will "go as far as we have to go" to accomplish that goal”.

Meanwhile, plans have changed. Originally the Second Lady Usha Vance was only supposed to travel to Greenland, a semi-autonomous part of Denmark, with her son to attend a dog-sledding race and other events in the capital of Nuuk. “Soft diplomacy”.

However the scale of security preparations made it something bigger, and it was clear that no one had actually invited anyone from the USA

Greenlanders made clear they would protest Mrs Vance's presence.

“Then when it was announced that White House National Security Advisor Michael Waltz, Trump's national security advisor, would join the delegation visiting the island, the people of Greenland and Denmark appeared to grow even more uncomfortable".

The American visits began to look less like a cultural interaction and more like an effort to meddle in the island's internal politics by rallying support for closer ties to the US among the local population - at the expense of Danish sovereignty.

Greenland's Acting Prime Minister Mute B Egede said it was a "provocation" and "demonstration of power", and asked the international community to step up.
"Just for the record, the government of Greenland has not extended any invitations for any visits, neither private nor official," Egede said.”

So the US delegation…..

The US administration could see they were heading for PR catastrophe," political analyst Noa Redington said.
They were heading for a charm offensive without charm," he said. "With people absolutely not happy to see Usha Vance or any other American politicians

A mere two days after Usha Vance's trip was announced, the cultural itinerary was dropped, replaced by a single visit to a remote US military installation - Pituffik Space Base. And now, Vice-President Vance would be joining his wife.

Waltz was no longer listed on the itinerary, though he was added again later.

Vance is the highest-ranking US official to ever visit Greenland and while the limited scope of the trip has pleased Denmark, the fact that he is going at all underscores the high level of interest the Trump administration has in the island.

Information and pictures from
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg128xkvlqo

Grandmabatty Fri 28-Mar-25 13:19:40

They just don't listen, do they? Does Trump think that if he keeps going on about it, Greenland will capitulate! They and Denmark have made their feelings clear. Good for the Greenlanders.

Churchview Fri 28-Mar-25 13:31:49

I suppose if you're Trump, born with a silver spoon and used to getting your own way either by grabbing pussy or pressing law suits on people you just press on regardless of law, decency or the feelings of others.

Wyllow3 Fri 28-Mar-25 13:41:04

If you look at the map in the article, the Pituffik Space Base is miles away from anywhere in the North, most Greenlanders live in the South. Not sure what Vance hopes to gain? (Hope any Greenlanders don't go tho I suppose some official would)

AGAA4 Fri 28-Mar-25 14:00:58

I heard the people of Nuuk had planned to turn their backs on the US delegation if they had visited there.

The arrogance of Trump Vance and co. is astounding. They are hell bent on getting what they want not caring about the lives of others and respecting other countries.

AuntieE Fri 28-Mar-25 14:07:51

Wyllow3

If you look at the map in the article, the Pituffik Space Base is miles away from anywhere in the North, most Greenlanders live in the South. Not sure what Vance hopes to gain? (Hope any Greenlanders don't go tho I suppose some official would)

To me his visit to Pituffik Space Base is simply an attempt to save face, as it has been made clear that no-one in Greenland is feeling very welcoming, and Denmark has been forced to make some, diplomatically speaking, strong statements.

Presumably, Trump does believe that if he goes on saying long enough that he wants Greenland, has to have it in the interest of world peace and all the other nonsense he spouts, that either the people of Greenland will wake up one morning and decide they would LOVE to be Americans, or that the two organizations Trump has no time for, NATO and EU will persuade or coerce Denmark into "handing over" Greenland.

He has clearly demonstrated that he has no idea how international politics work. Or does he? Is he planning a take-over along the lines of Hitler's annexation of Austria? Or hoping that his new best friend Putin will decide he needs Greenland, and Greenland will then scuttle into Trump's bosom?

Who knows? Personally, I doubt even Trump knows whether what he says is seriously meant, achieveable or only hot air.

ayse Fri 28-Mar-25 14:20:45

I think what he’s saying is seriously meant. He will continue to try to bully all those who try to stand against him. He wants minerals, timber, oil, gas etc. and inflict other countries with goods made in the USA. Currently the USA feels more of a threat than China as we are far more closely linked to them. It’s a flavour of how Taiwan feels about China.

Oreo Fri 28-Mar-25 18:35:43

Trump thinks he can buy anything, he’s a disgrace to his country.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 28-Mar-25 18:42:21

Make no mistake. Trump is deadly serious.

M0nica Fri 28-Mar-25 20:10:35

The parallels between Putins attempt to colonise Ukraine and Trumps' attempt to do the same to Greenland are quite frighteningly similar, first the sweet talk with menace underneath. give it a year and it will be no sweet talk, just talk of the threat it poses to the US, followed in year 3 by an invasion?

As was said on the news today. Denmark already has an agreement with the US for it to have defence bases and send military personnel to Greenland and Denmark is amenable to the number of bases and personnel increasing. So why is it aso important that the US has complete control of the island?

Like Ukraine it is all about Putin (Trump) going down in history for re-occupying (occupying) neighbouring territory - Ukraine (Greenland)

Jane112 Fri 28-Mar-25 20:27:15

Trump is lying that it's about security, exactly like Ukraine it's purely an attempt to steal minerals and oil to line Trump's own pockets

Deedaa Fri 28-Mar-25 20:33:55

I wonder how America would react if Putin decided he'd rather like to have Alaska? It would make sense, it's really very close.

fancythat Fri 28-Mar-25 21:46:33

The population of Greenland is 56,900. Oh dear.

Cold Fri 28-Mar-25 22:33:22

The really strange thing is that Greenland and Denmark are usually pretty friendly to the US - so if - say - the US wanted to build another military base then they have likely said yes.

But the Trump administration's bully tactics have backfired and even the local craft shop refused to invite the Vances.

The current US administration seems to want to expand its territory as a new colonial power and Greenlanders do not wish to become a colony.

Allira Fri 28-Mar-25 22:44:32

Deedaa

I wonder how America would react if Putin decided he'd rather like to have Alaska? It would make sense, it's really very close.

Alaska used to belong to the Russian Empire. The Americans bought it from them.

I've always thought that, logically and geographically, it should be part of Canada.

M0nica Fri 28-Mar-25 22:46:26

Allira quite agree.

Lovetopaint037 Sat 29-Mar-25 08:18:47

How much longer will Americans put up with this Egomaniac?

Churchview Sat 29-Mar-25 08:59:14

I hate how the BBC are reporting that Vance 'scolds' Denmark.

Scolds makes me think Denmark have done something wrong which they haven't. Attacks would be a better word.

Vance said, "We hope that they choose to partner with the United States, because we're the only nation on Earth that will respect their sovereignty and respect their security,"

That's simply not true.

Rosie51 Sat 29-Mar-25 09:05:25

Vance said, "We hope that they choose to partner with the United States, because we're the only nation on Earth that will respect their sovereignty and respect their security,"

How Vance can say that with a straight face after their attitude to Ukraine and Zelensky is beyond me.

Smileless2012 Sat 29-Mar-25 09:09:25

I agree Churchview it was an attack and a shameful one.

David49 Sat 29-Mar-25 09:19:33

Vance isn’t exactly diplomatic for sure, with only 55k population Greenland isnt a viable nation they cannot possibly defend themselves, or even exist independantly.
It costs Denmark £500m to support them, the US has largely been responsible for security through NATO, Greenland has been freeloading on US too.

Strategically someone has got to control Greenlands security Denmark or even Europe isnt capable, becoming US citizens isnt the worst fate for Greenlanders is it.

Grandmabatty Sat 29-Mar-25 09:24:02

You really are a Trump apologist David, aren't you?

Witzend Sat 29-Mar-25 09:36:50

I wouldn’t call it a ‘charm’ offensive!
More like a deliberate-offence offensive.

Par for the bullying Trump course, though.

David49 Sat 29-Mar-25 09:37:19

Not a Trump apologist at all if Greenland becomes an independant nation and China or Russia make them an offer for minerals better than the US the will not be able to uphold ant rights at all.

Their rights as US citizens would be a good deal better than Chinese or Russian dominance, feel free disagree if you wish.

Luckygirl3 Sat 29-Mar-25 09:41:02

.... , becoming US citizens isn't the worst fate for Greenlanders is it.

Yup - it is.